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[Fandom: Tiān Guān Cì Fú/Heaven Official's Blessing
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[Music, Drake/Kendrick Lamar beef, What's the Beef? Youtube channel]

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[X-Files s04e10, "Paper Hearts" ]

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This may be very classist and ableist of me (it is, not going to lie), but i don't think that "art" is for everyone. Better yet, everyone can make "art", but nobody is entitled to do "good* art" with no effort.

I say this as someone who wanted to study art when they were younger but had no talent whatsoever (like seriously, 13 years old me drew almost like a toddler), but a lot of passion. I tried to convince my parent to send me to an high school centred around arts so I could learn, but they refused because that wouldn't give me a secure job, they said.
I had to go study something completely unrelated and while I still continued to make doodles and stuff I never really had time nor opportunity to learn how to draw due to time limitation and, truth to be told, complete ignorance about the process of learning how to draw. I didn't know any artist, so I was alone with no role model or mentor to follow.

I am now learning in my late 30s as an hobbyist (so my POV is different from professional artists). This shit is fucking hard. But it matters to me because it's hard and because I CAN DO IT IF I APPLY MYSELF AND STUDY. It will maybe take me another 10+ years to arrive to where I want to go and execute my vision how I was it, but it's worth it because it will be mine and mine only.

Using references (I do, it's actually how you learn!) or even digital tools (I don't, I draw traditionally and without technology involved because I'm lazy) as an aid to your craft is good, you still have to put in effort yourself.
Typing something and letting the machine do all the work seem like a waste of personal potential.

Where is the fun of that? Is that all human can aspire to? Asking gently a machine to make your idea visually appealing to the mass (LLMs generated pictures are very bland)?
How boring.
At least if you commission a "real living artist" you have a piece of art completely tailored to you and in which someone else actually put effort and vision into. And you put your hard earned money into that commission.

(*I say nobody is entitled to do "good art" with no effort, but to me "good art" is simply art with a soul. even if you don't know the fundamentals and your drawing or painting is technically all wonky, if you still put in effort it could still be an excellent piece of art.)

Well, at least you're honest about how much you don't care if disabled people find a way to support themselves. Or, you know, if they live or die. That's something, I guess.

I doubt disable or even abled folks will be able to support themselves solely with AI generated images, though? What are you trying to say?

You also don't know me. I am a voluntary support teacher in a community centre (they are not called that in my country but I think they are similar to what they have in North America) for arts and craft programs for mentally ill/disabled folks. (I don't have the certification to follow the physically disabled group ATM)
Art is important for disabled people, but I doubt LLMs is the answer for the vast majority of them. We should aim to include those folks into making art with a soul, with non traditional tools (like not solely hand-pencil or brush-paint, but their whole body) not selling them AIs because they CAN'T make art. Because they can, if they have the right tools for them and put their soul into it.
IDK, it's complicated. Which is why I say my view is possibly ableist. I do have some physical limitations myself, but I can't fully understand someone who is tetraplegic.
I just think it's self limiting using a machine to spew out art. Using them as an aid? Super cool! But selling AI generated images as your own is... idek... a waste of your own potential.

This is why I stressed out I'm a hobbyist artist. I support myself doing a job I absolutely despise. Art is my passion and I'd love everyone to participate in it and see how gratifying it is when you put effort in it.
My vision is absolutely divorced from the professional artists' one, I bet.

I do know you. You told me who you are in the post I first replied to. You told me again in the post where you admitted to being a classist and an ableist.

You told me who you are, and I believed you.

Ok. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Communicating for me is hard.
Maybe I shouldn't have written this. Sorry again.

Except nobody is going to pay a disabled person for putting prompts into an AI programm, they'll just do it themselves. Because it literally takes zero skill and there probably are AIs that generate useable prompts for art AIs so no ~disabled person~ is going to survive with the help of AI. Quite on the contrary, actually.

You are right, they won't. And corporations that control AI are looking to screw everyone over when it gets sophisticated enough to make them all the money. Those were never things I was trying to refute. I was pushing back against OPs who made up stories about the disabled or blamed and villainized them for using AI.

"I was pushing back against OPs who made up stories about the disabled or blamed and villainized them for using AI"

uh... was I? I don't think I was...
Jesus, I may be even worse than I thought I am in trying to write out stuff.
I honestly just wanted to say that art has a meaning (as in, it becomes what I think is "good art") when people put some kind of effort in them.
Relying too much on AI to produce polished drawings and paintings without putting effort to express oneself in any other artistic way will hurt everyone, our creativity and the meaningful role that art can have in every people's life in the long run.

But I do think the internet is just not for me at this point. I'm tired. I'm really sorry I made people uncomfortable.

signed, thread OP.

Oh yes, disabled folks aren't going to be fucked as we all are.
Nice try shithead

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Then it's a good thing you don't get to decide that for anyone else but yourself.

I mean, yeah? I literally can't make decisions for anyone else lmao.

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