[ SECRET POST #6370 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6370 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Transcript by OP

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In hindsight, this show may be why I believe it's possible for men and women to just be friends.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you not have friends of different a different gender?

I find it baffling and sad when people think men and women can't be friends.

Also, I loved Elaine and her friendships in this group.

OP Here

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't have opposite gender friendships at the time I was exposed to the show. Keep in mind I was about 9 when I first saw even part of it. There's also the fact that I grew up in an area where at the time students with opposite gender friendships got treated differently by kids and adults alike. So childhood exposure via TV appears to have helped me resist this pressure to only be friends with people of the same gender.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

That's awesome that that helped. Its odd to me because I grew up with lots of siblings close in age of different genders and we all kind of shared friends, so I honestly can't recall a time in my life when my friend group wasn't a mixed bag.

Thanks for answering, it was an honest curious question not trying to troll or anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Shit, I wouldn't even want to be friends with Seinfeld, never mind a romantic relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

The secret doesn't talk about being friends with Seinfeld and nobody is asking you to either? It just was an example of male female friendship.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry that casual conversation related to the topic at hand bothers you so much. Maybe comment threads aren't for you?

[(Anonymous)]

There's no need for you to be this combative.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

They're not. You're projecting.

[(Anonymous)]

Good on you for having that realization, I guess

I can’t help but think that if this show was my only example of male-female platonic relationships, I’d conclude that only awful assholes have those relationships

SA

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, that was needlessly snarky.

I am genuinely curious about whether you had other fictional or real life examples of male-female platonic relationships. And why you think Seinfeld could have been so significant in your belief that they exist.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand?

Why did it lead you to that conclusion

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t go here but I think I get what you’re saying. In media, there is ALWAYS a romance. And I’ve definitely seen the excuse that it’s because that’s what the audience wants and they wouldn’t watch without it.

But Seinfeld was a hugely popular, critically acclaimed series pretty much its entire run despite not turning Elaine in The Love Interest or the show bicycle.

[(Anonymous)]

Also Elaine was just as awful as the others, in pretty much the same ways, which I always loved.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I didn’t watch the show but did catch scenes now and then. That’s always the impression I got about her though and I do think it’s great! A woman who is an equal to the men around her is something we need more in entertainment.

[(Anonymous)]

Especially when you grow up in a culture that does strict social separation by sex. If a girl is seen with a boy, there's no other way to explain it: they're obviously dating (and her reputation is now probably ruined).

[(Anonymous)]

I hate that this was ever a thing anywhere and it sucks because it’s still happening in lots of places. Even in places where it isn’t built into the culture there are many people who think that way.

[(Anonymous)]

We're now at a point where if you spend a lot of time with anyone it's considered "romantic." A man has a male best friend with whom he does lots of things, and occasionally shows affection toward? Must be gay! A woman has a female best friend with whom she does lots of things, and occasionally shows affection toward? Must be gay!

Our culture revolves so tightly around the nuclear family that it cannot conceive of intimacy outside of it. I have spoken with people who think that deep friendship literally does not exist, because the only person with whom you could ever possibly share your "true self" is a romantic partner -- or, more toxically, your child. But a community is more than just you, your lover, and your offspring. And we need community, as a fundamentally social species.

[(Anonymous)]

But the show did turn Elaine into the Love Interest in the end. The finale involves her and Jerry nearly confessing their love for one another, getting interrupted, and then playing it off later on. While they might not have ended up together (and they couldn't have, given that they went to prison), the implication is still that they were each other's "person" all along.

[(Anonymous)]

The irony of this is that she and Jerry dated previously.

[(Anonymous)]

"Sex to save the friendship"

[(Anonymous)]

As a woman with many long-term male friends, it's totally possible.

But I don't see how this show demonstrates that. Canonically, Elaine and Jerry were in love with each other, but were too proud to admit it.