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I agree. I've known many bipolar people over my lifetime (I'm 70), and most of them were not raging racists or assholes. They had mental issues, but I would have never classified them as Nazis.

And I've known bipolar people who absolutely were raging assholes when they went off their meds. I've known bipolar people whose condition was severe enough for them to go into full-blown psychosis.

I've also known those people but they weren't racists. Mental illness doesn't make you a racist.

It can make you prone to paranoid and illogical thinking, which can make it easier to develop racist views.

It's not exculpatory, but it's absolutely an explanatory factor. Mental illness can totally alter the way a person views and interfaces with the world, causing them to be paranoid, delusional, violent, etc. Remember: women in the grips of post-partum psychosis have killed their children. I read about one such woman who had come to sincerely believe that the world hated them and would make them suffer, that there was no hope for them to have a good life, and had become convinced that the only way to save them was to kill them. She is still culpable for her actions -- but she was absolutely not in her right mind when she did what she did.

Kanye likely is prone to the sort of conspiratorial and paranoid thinking that undergirds antisemitism (there's a shadowy Them responsible for all the problems in the world) due to his mental illness. This does not mean that he can't be held accountable for it.

Agreed; all it means is that when he goes on a hogwild binge about Something, it's got a chance of being a hogwild binge about Shitty Stuff, because he believes in shitty stuff. And since he was an influential artist and is rich, it has more reach than Bipolar Uncle Jerkface's Facebook yelling binge about something equally shitty.

One of my dear friends who has bipolar goes on hogwild binges about Snakes on a Plane and other blorboes of the month but getting a full calf tattoo of a snake and a chest memorial tattoo of her dad's Cessna is pretty harmless except to her credit card (credit card debt: standard risk for bipolar AND adhd)

Okay, but not all mental illness is super cute like that. Some mental illness actually makes you batshit crazy.

People with bipolar disorder can go into psychosis. They can have hallucinations and delusions, and say and do shit that's completely out of character for them. It's great that you know someone who seems to be managing their disorder well, but that does not mean that everyone with the disorder is going to present like her.

kanye still didn't ought to be a Nazi

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Thanks for saying this. I think that since bipolar disorder is a mental illness with a very broad spectrum that presents itself even with milder symptoms, people forget that this illness can be pretty debilitating for a lot of people, especially if they don't have access to proper care (or if they are so far gone that they think they don't need help). I suffer from manic episodes with psychosis and it is not fun if I leave it untreated...
A lot of people in prison have untreated mental illnesses and a it's estimated that a large percentage of them suffer from bipolar disorder. bipolar disorder is also one of the deadliest mental illnesses, with a very high percentage of successful suicides.
If you have a full blown manic episode you risk completely changing your brain and the more manic episodes you have the more damaged your brain becomes.

I don't get why people dismiss it like it's some "quirky stuff that happens sometimes". Maybe for some people it is, but UHMMMM not for everyone?
But in the end I think it's maybe better that they don't know. I wouldn't wish this endless nightmare to anyone. You can treat it, but it's never truly gone. It's exhausting.

I don't like Kanye and I find the people defending his actions due to being bipolar exhausting.

Mental illness does not a neo nazi make. Nor does it make making your "wife" step out near nude in public okay.

(My running theory is he wanted Kim to do that shit but she's too strong willed for him)

I'd love to see the word "and" normalized in cases like these.

As in, "Kanye West has mental issues AND he's a massive twat whose statements and behavior are completely unacceptable."

Dude’s black. Him being a Nazi HAS to be a matter of mental illness.

Not really. Black antisemitism is very popular among certain black religous groups (such as Nation of Islam). And studies have shown that that black, white, and hispanic people have similar rates of antisemitism.

“Nazi” is a very different statement from “antisemite.”

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Plenty of Black people are antisemites.

bb, this is only revealing a lack of knowledge about racial tension between minorities.

Nope!

"Mental illness doesn't make you ____" is profoundly unhelpful and dangerous. We can give people with mental illness the respect and treatment they deserve and not make assumptions about individuals just because they have a mental illness, while we can also acknowledge that sometimes mental illness can make one more prone to certain negative thoughts and actions.

His medical issues *might* become a mitigating factor once he's
1) stopped harming people
2) committed to not harming people in the future
3) understood that what he did was wrong and it is HIS job to control his actions

I feel like everyone skipped over the 3-5 years where he stops being a Nazi and becomes the worlds biggest anti-Nazi and starts like 3 charities dedicated to stopping anti-Semitism and another 2 for helping people get out of extremist groups.

It's like everyone is playing for crowds in that possible (but unlikely) future. And they'd rather have "always" had the correct final opinion. Like they're afraid of getting their tweets read out in some hypothetical future and being accused of ableism.

But like, fuck off with that shit. I live in the moment and *right now* this mother fucker is doing harm. We can talk about redemption *after*

Yeah, I can agree with this. I have never liked Kanye. I've always thought he seemed like a narcissistic, male-chauvinist asshole, even before all the rest of it went down. But I don't necessarily see him as utterly irredeemable. There is a conceivable (albeit unlikely) future in which he's committed heavily to change, and done the stuff you discuss in your comment, where I could think, like, "Kanye was a pretty horrible person for a long time, but he really committed to turning it around and doing good in the world, and I really respect that. Good for him."

His Taylor Swift interruption was a beautiful example of how the left will applaud men of color for being male chauvinist assholes as long as the women they're public about showing it towards are white.

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I'm kind of furious that people are debating his level of culpability in his own actions. Like, I don't care if he faked his Bipolar diagnosis in a decades long plot to be anti-Semitic or if he's been posesed by an actual demon and he's screaming on the inside. The steps we should all be taking are the same: condemn the harmful behavior, refuse to support him/give him a platform from which to hurt people until he stops the harmful behavior, support victims of the harmful behavior.

Worrying about what he punishment should be, or whatever is such a complete waste of time.

him being an absolute whore for attention (including negative attention) is also a big factor and prominent character flaw

As someone with bipolar disorder with manic episodes that involve delusions and hallucination: MEH, you just don't get it, but it's fine.
Some people really don't understand bipolar disorder. I don't really think someone who doesn't have this illness can really comprehend how it fucks with your sense of reality and how it can enhance some mild bigoted believes you hold or you hear form somewhere else into full blown nazi ravings.
It's very similar to schizophrenia in that regard. Ever met a schizophrenic person that without meds is just a raving lunatic that doesn't make any sense and repeat like a parrot some deeply wrong and insulting stuff they've heard somewhere else, but then when they are medicated they behave like ordinary people with absolutely no strange or irrational/bigoted beliefs? Because I have. Some cases of bipolar disorder are like that.
Manic episodes are fucking scary. You love yourself, your sense of identity, your own beliefs and you don't even get that it's happening. Sometimes you think you are god, sometimes you think that all people are against you and that the CIA or whatever is putting waves into your brain, sometimes you get influenced by some bullshit bigoted person just because you fancy them a bit and you begin to trust them as if they held all the truths in the universe.

SO yeah, I don't like Kanye West myself, but mentioning he has UNTREATED bipolar disorder is giving some context on why he did/said some stuff he did/said. When he did his "mask off" moment he was CLEARLY not well. Watch the interviews he did with... Lex Fridman, I believe? His speech is all confused and he really doesn't make any sense. That's untreated bipolar disorder for you.

This is a fucking terrifying illness, something that will possibly make me lose my mind or kill myself in the near or far future. I see in Kanye West what I could possibly become if I don't treat this illness seriously, don't check on myself and my symptoms and if I get too close too individuals that held beliefs I find abhorrent.

Kanye West is a cautionary tale. This is why we have to keep mentioning he has bipolar disorder, because some people really don't get what a mental illness like this can make you do and believe if left untreated. And he is a very privileged rich man who has plenty of access to medical care! Think of all the poor people who don't have that. Shit's fucked.

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