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⌈ Secret Post #6378 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

well, I disagree

(seriously though, I can't understand the perspective that the Eccleston season or the first Smith season are unwatchable crap - even accounting for taste)

[(Anonymous)]

Apart from that one episode, right at the start with the evil trampoline, EcclesDoc doesn't do anything. That is the problem with his run.

[(Anonymous)]

He doesn't do anything?

[(Anonymous)]

He's a bystander in most of his run. It is crap.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a wild exaggeration to say that happens in every episode of S1. I don't think he's a bystander in the two-parters from that season, or in The Long Game. And I don't think it's bad Doctor Who to have the companion be the one to save the day instead of the Doctor, which is the case in several other of the episodes (Rose, Dalek, and then Father's Day is basically a story about her even tho she doesn't technically save the day).

It feels like this complaint really just comes down to Unquiet Dead and Boom Town. Which, like, I don't like those either, but if we called every Doctor Who season with a couple bad episodes unwatchable crap, there wouldn't be a lot of Who left around.

[(Anonymous)]

In The Long Game it is even worse, he isn't even rescued by SuperRose. He has to be rescued by random redshirt reporter. That is one of the worst examples of all.

[(Anonymous)]

But the reporter only knows what to do because the Doctor tells her. He gives her the idea. It's his plan. Ergo, he is the one who saves the day, by getting the random reporter to go do the thing.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry your super duper power fantasy Doctor who is invincible 5ever but also super fuckable (the Most Important Part) isn't what most people want. People only liked Ten because they want to fuck Tennant.

[(Anonymous)]

No, 10 is a good Doctor. All of the Doctors in the new series have been pretty good, sometimes the writing has been bad but the Doctors have never been the problem.

And also, describing 10 as a power fantasy is sort of... fundamentally at odds with what actually happened with his character on screen.

[(Anonymous)]

I liked Eccelston as the Doctor and for all its flaws I liked a lot of episodes with Matt Smith (still love the Vincent van Gogh episode and the lizard lesbian and her wife <3)

[(Anonymous)]

Also the best thing I liked about Twelve's era was Bill. She had good chemistry with him as a companion and was a whole lot gayer than Chibnall's half-arsed attempt at Yas x Thirteen.

[(Anonymous)]

Capaldi could have worked without Clara and the other thing which eventually completely trashed the show beyond recovery. And one of the unrepentant wankers from Little Britain whose antics in that show basically primed the pump for the Tories' attack on disabled people. It is sad that Capaldi's run was ruined by literally, not figuratively, everything except Capaldi himself. But there is no saving it.

[(Anonymous)]

the other thing which eventually completely trashed the show beyond recovery.

What other thing?

And one of the unrepentant wankers from Little Britain whose antics in that show basically primed the pump for the Tories' attack on disabled people.

I don't care for Little Britain at all but it seems a little beyond the pale to blame him for the Tories' attacks on disabled people or to argue that no TV show with him in it could possibly be good.

I'm not the biggest fan of Capaldi's run but IMO it easily could have been good. I just don't like the way that it was written and directed on the whole, basically.

[(Anonymous)]

Those LB sketches with his "disabled" character faking disability when in view was actually cited in the 2010 election campaign itself by the Tories as a reason to get tough on "scroungers" as they implied that was basically every disabled person in the land. Yes. I blame him. I had friends who died because of the Tories war on the disabled. Don't try an exculpate him in those deaths. His sketches primed the social pump for that, sowed the seed of the later bigotry.

[(Anonymous)]

I am not defending Matt Lucas.

I am saying that he is not solely or primarily responsible for the Tory campaigns against disabled people, and that his presence alone does not make a TV program unwatchable crap.

[(Anonymous)]

It does for me. I don't like watching people whose idea of comedy led to my friends dying.

[(Anonymous)]

I sincerely doubt it was a single comedy sketch that convinced the Tories to run their campaign, and convinced others to support it.

It's bizarre that you're blaming a comedian more than the politicians, as if saying, "the TV made me do it" is enough to remove responsibility for someone's actions.

[(Anonymous)]

Anybody who knows anything about the Tory Gov knows that they can easily hate and ruin the lives of people with disabilities without the influence of a single, barely relevant in the past decade comedy show.

[(Anonymous)]

DA
I second this.

[(Anonymous)]

Written, directed, casted, yeah, apart from the writing, direction, casting, acting, production values, apart from all of that, it is gold.

[(Anonymous)]

I do not agree that every aspect of the show during the Capaldi years was bad. I think the casting was genuinely really good on the whole. Clara is a fine character played by a good actress. Her dynamic with 12 was, in fact, good. That was not the problem with Capaldi's run.

And even the writing and directing, I don't think it was utter crap. I think it was imperfect, and flawed, and definitely not to my taste. But it's way, way, way better than the worst eras of the show.

And I'm still curious what "the other thing which eventually completely trashed the show beyond recovery" was meant to reference.

[(Anonymous)]

This is, "rap and heavy metal make kids violent satanists" level.

[akacat]

I loved Bill. I hate that she was so underused and had such a short run.

[(Anonymous)]

Same here :( I kind of wanted to know more about her Mum since she had mentioned her in passing and honestly more of Bill would have just been awesome.