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⌈ Secret Post #6391 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

It would also be good if it were possible to cast POC in things without a lot of nerds online being loudly and angrily racist.

[(Anonymous)]

It would be nice, but it isn't realistic. So instead lets focus on not casting black actors just for the purpose of so they can be thrown to the wolves to protect showrunners from accusations of bad writing. Write good stories instead.

[(Anonymous)]

So like, under this rubric, what are the times when we are allowed to cast black and POC actors

[(Anonymous)]

When I'm dead.

[(Anonymous)]

Anytime you like, as long as the writing is good enough on the show. Star Trek did it with Avery Brooks as Sisko, and to a lesser degree, Kate Mulgrew with Janeway. I bet a Worf led series would be an instant fan favorite too.

The problem with Burnham is, she sucks. As a character and the show sucks as Star Trek.

With Who it is more problematic, and probably a female Doctor was always going to be a bridge too far but they had had success with The Sarah Jane chronicles, and fans have been wanting a Romana spin off ever since Romana left the show back in 1980. So that would have made a lot more sense. The "problem", such as it is, with a black Doctor is that the Subcontinental Asian community is more underserved in the UK than the black community, despite the latter being more spread out and prevalent in British society. So the first non White doctor really ought to have been from their community instead.

typo

[(Anonymous)]

*former, not latter. Sorry, typo.

[(Anonymous)]

But whether the writing is good enough is going to be subjective to a certain extent, especially since what counts as "good" to an audience is generally what hits their particular buttons.

[(Anonymous)]

The "problem", such as it is, with a black Doctor is that the Subcontinental Asian community is more underserved in the UK than the black community, despite the latter being more spread out and prevalent in British society. So the first non White doctor really ought to have been from their community instead.

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the line of thinking that this is per se a problem with a given casting decision for a specific individual role.

While it's clear that there's systematically a problem in British media in this respect, I am highly uncomfortable with the suggestion that this makes it wrong to cast a black actor into a specific role.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this line of logic is literally, naked-facedly Oppression Olympics, wow.

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

This same argument has been coming up on F!S for years every time a British show makes a character black who wasn't originally. Pepper in Good Omens is the earliest I remember but not the first. I don't know what possibility is worse: that there's one anon who's been beating out such insanely racist logic for this long, or that there's more than one person here who believes it.

[(Anonymous)]

this reads like someone who doesn't like writing/direction of a show and decides to attempt to make their subjective views objective fact by clumsily tying in real-world issues as a trump card

"yes, they cast a POC lead of a beloved, flagship sci fi show, but they cast (what I think) is the wrong kind of POC therefore it's a racist thing and therefore my personal dislike is now a moral stance!"

[(Anonymous)]

I want a Romana series.

[(Anonymous)]

Yikes.

[(Anonymous)]

"Anytime you like, as long as the writing is good enough on the show." White actors are allowed to be employed even when the writing isn't good, so why would black actors only be able to get a role if the writing was good? That shouldn't matter. More than that, there shouldn't be any caveat for hiring black (or other non-white) actors over a white actor. Only their ability to do their job should matter. The only exception is the portrayal of a historically white (with indisputable proof they were white) person.

[(Anonymous)]

The only exception is the portrayal of a historically white (with indisputable proof they were white) person.

And even then, only if it's meant to be a realistic portrayal of history in the first place.

[(Anonymous)]

*laughs in Hamilton*

[(Anonymous)]

Hamilton is amazing, because it's Super Progressive, but the villain has the darkest skin of all the players.

[(Anonymous)]

Antagonist =/= villain. It's also much more of a stand-out point to even casual viewers that the most evil character is the only one played by a white actor.

[(Anonymous)]

Boy, this is just not a good point at all.

[(Anonymous)]

"sorry, you're perfect for this role but I can't cast you because your skin is too dark and I don't want to be accused of being racist 😥"

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the villain was the king?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm disappointed that the first POC Doctor is Black. Not because I think that Black actors shouldn't get leading roles, but because why the fuck can't other non-white ethnicities get them too? Why couldn't the Doctor be Asian, for example? I'd even let you pick an Asian country, there are many! It's a very American view on diversity to go all "yep, there are Black characters, it's diverse now" and I hate that it's spreading everywhere.

[(Anonymous)]

In general, I'm kinda annyoed that when people say "cast more POC in roles", what the majority of them mean is "cast more black people".

[(Anonymous)]

Oh dear god, there are more than one of you "Asian is the right kind of POC and Black is the wrong kind of POC.... I-I-I mean for British shows, b-because Asian people outnumber Black people in the UK!! Not because I don't like Black people I swear!" on here.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's good that more Black people are cast in major roles. What's not good is that no other minorities are cast in major roles with the same frequency. It's like, "well I guess we gotta be diverse, better hire a Black person" and then when a Black person is cast, the casting staff goes "we're diverse enough now, good job us". Like, the world is full of other non-white people, give us crumbs if nothing else.