[ SECRET POST #6391 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6391 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't like how they use black women as human shields. Like, if they know there is going to be controversy over the show, they cast a black woman in it and then claim everyone who dislikes the thing is being racist because they know that some loud voices will be and they can use them to tar everyone else. It is disrespectful to actors and the audience.

[(Anonymous)]

It would also be good if it were possible to cast POC in things without a lot of nerds online being loudly and angrily racist.

[(Anonymous)]

It would be nice, but it isn't realistic. So instead lets focus on not casting black actors just for the purpose of so they can be thrown to the wolves to protect showrunners from accusations of bad writing. Write good stories instead.

[(Anonymous)]

So like, under this rubric, what are the times when we are allowed to cast black and POC actors

[(Anonymous)]

When I'm dead.

[(Anonymous)]

Anytime you like, as long as the writing is good enough on the show. Star Trek did it with Avery Brooks as Sisko, and to a lesser degree, Kate Mulgrew with Janeway. I bet a Worf led series would be an instant fan favorite too.

The problem with Burnham is, she sucks. As a character and the show sucks as Star Trek.

With Who it is more problematic, and probably a female Doctor was always going to be a bridge too far but they had had success with The Sarah Jane chronicles, and fans have been wanting a Romana spin off ever since Romana left the show back in 1980. So that would have made a lot more sense. The "problem", such as it is, with a black Doctor is that the Subcontinental Asian community is more underserved in the UK than the black community, despite the latter being more spread out and prevalent in British society. So the first non White doctor really ought to have been from their community instead.

typo

[(Anonymous)]

*former, not latter. Sorry, typo.

[(Anonymous)]

But whether the writing is good enough is going to be subjective to a certain extent, especially since what counts as "good" to an audience is generally what hits their particular buttons.

[(Anonymous)]

The "problem", such as it is, with a black Doctor is that the Subcontinental Asian community is more underserved in the UK than the black community, despite the latter being more spread out and prevalent in British society. So the first non White doctor really ought to have been from their community instead.

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the line of thinking that this is per se a problem with a given casting decision for a specific individual role.

While it's clear that there's systematically a problem in British media in this respect, I am highly uncomfortable with the suggestion that this makes it wrong to cast a black actor into a specific role.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this line of logic is literally, naked-facedly Oppression Olympics, wow.

[(Anonymous)]

this reads like someone who doesn't like writing/direction of a show and decides to attempt to make their subjective views objective fact by clumsily tying in real-world issues as a trump card

"yes, they cast a POC lead of a beloved, flagship sci fi show, but they cast (what I think) is the wrong kind of POC therefore it's a racist thing and therefore my personal dislike is now a moral stance!"

[(Anonymous)]

I want a Romana series.

[(Anonymous)]

Yikes.

[(Anonymous)]

"Anytime you like, as long as the writing is good enough on the show." White actors are allowed to be employed even when the writing isn't good, so why would black actors only be able to get a role if the writing was good? That shouldn't matter. More than that, there shouldn't be any caveat for hiring black (or other non-white) actors over a white actor. Only their ability to do their job should matter. The only exception is the portrayal of a historically white (with indisputable proof they were white) person.

[(Anonymous)]

The only exception is the portrayal of a historically white (with indisputable proof they were white) person.

And even then, only if it's meant to be a realistic portrayal of history in the first place.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm disappointed that the first POC Doctor is Black. Not because I think that Black actors shouldn't get leading roles, but because why the fuck can't other non-white ethnicities get them too? Why couldn't the Doctor be Asian, for example? I'd even let you pick an Asian country, there are many! It's a very American view on diversity to go all "yep, there are Black characters, it's diverse now" and I hate that it's spreading everywhere.

[(Anonymous)]

And then they can say "See! We tried it and people hated it! We probably shouldn't do it anymore!". Even if the main reason people hated it was because it was a half-assed badly written piece of trash.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish Who would skip to that part, because they've done the first bit of it for the last three regenerations. Skip to the bit where they go back to what works.

[(Anonymous)]

+100000

[(Anonymous)]

Controversy is generally going to arise over any long-running and/or beloved property. It's going to happen over any blockbuster. It's going to happen over anything that touches geek/nerd-dom.

If there's something wrong with casting black actors in a show that is likely to cause controversy, then the logical conclusion to be drawn is that black actors should not be cast in any long-running, beloved, popular, or nerdy show -- which is not particularly good or useful.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

You could stop blackwashing existing white characters and introduce good POC characters. And don't cast actors who keep shouting about how they hate white people or this show isn't for white/straight men or how they're better than icky mediocre white people or telling people to go and touch grass instead of watching.

[(Anonymous)]

Except you people who say "blackwashing" don't really want original POC characters either. "Make a new character" is your cover for "I don't want black people in my shows" and you never acknowledge the possibility that new POC characters can exist alongside recast classics.

[(Anonymous)]

P.S. in regards to Doctor Who, you realize that making new POC characters is something they have already been doing for a long time, yes? Every companion is a new character. There was never a white Martha, Bill, Yaz, Mickey...

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's great for people to go around saying, "this isn't for people of a certain race/gender/sexual orientation, and also I hate those people" either. You don't end prejudice by flipping the subject of it.

But as far as introducing "good POC characters" goes, what counts as a "good" character is somewhat subjective; and it is the case that a lot of viewers set the bar much higher for POC. Deigning to cast POC unless and until someone has written the perfect character that will please everyone is a recipe for never casting POC at all.