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Because the idea that Rey was a nobody, nothing special, was rather novel in this series of films and for it to be retconned that she's the product of the most evillist evil mastermind, powerful last Sith lord does a disservice to the character and overall story?

I don't think it does a disservice, I think it just tells a different story. But now that I've typed that out maybe it's the same thing. Hmm.

Um I don't know Star Wars lore very well but.. didn't they DO the whole. "nobody who comes from nothing" origin story with Anakin already?

Maybe Rey can have the "hero who is descended from great evil" origin to be idk ..different?

Anakin? You mean the kid whose mother gave birth to him after getting pregnant by the force?

That they doubled down on in The Acolyte

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dani_phantasma - 2024-09-17 00:56 (UTC) - Expand

Anakin was a virgin birth jesus character (who was probably conceived via Darth Plageius/Sidious midichlorian experiments), so no, this really doesn't apply to him.

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dani_phantasma - 2024-09-17 00:55 (UTC) - Expand

'Maybe Rey can have the "hero who is descended from great evil" origin to be idk ..different?'

Right? Star Wars certainly never had a hero who was the descendant of an evil character before...

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dani_phantasma - 2024-09-17 02:48 (UTC) - Expand

Yyyyeah, came here to say exactly this. Like, if that had been a plot point from the beginning, sure, yeah, fine, whatever. But to specifically go back after the entire message of the second movie was that even people without connections could be chosen by the Force? It feels soooo. Handwavey. Shoe-horned. Just lazy writing.

doubly so that it had to be Palpatine. like, sure, if you want to explore Luke Skywalker's storyline a second time, you do you, just make it not the most obviously stupid character choice. but this is the same franchise that brought back Darth Maul after he was bisected specifically to tell the fanom "sorry your fave ain't coming back" so I guess shitty choices are just par for the course.

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I don't have an issue with Palpatine having descendants or clones or whatever else you want to give him.

I don't think it makes any sense as a plot twist / character beat for Rey, specifically.

+ whatever number we're up to now

Yeah, exactly this. We had six movies about the powerful Skywalkers so having a trilogy focused around a "nobody" was fresh. TFA set up mystery boxes (because of course it did, it was a JJ Abrams movie) and TLJ opened and answered some of those by firmly saying that anyone can be special and powerful. It doesn't come from a powerful lineage. Then TROS threw that into the fire and reintroduced Palpatine without any explanation other than "somehow he returned." It was lazy.

This. Very much this.

I didn't hate the idea, just the way it was executed. But then again the line 'somehow Palpatine has retuned' still makes me grin like an absolute mad-mad because someone got paid to write that. Fucking marvellous.

Is anyone really complaining about this twist because they object to the idea of Palpatine having fucked and not like, the fact that it walked back the much cooler twist of the previous movie for something dumb and unoriginal?

I have definitely heard it argued against by people that did the math and figured out that Rey's dad was conceived after ROTS, so after Palpatine was disfigured. They were pretty disgusted. (This was in the three months between TROS and its novelization, before we learned Rey's dad was a clone.)

All these dudes don't remember when the old EU specifically referred to Emperor Palpatine having at least one lover. So yeah, definitely after disfigurement.

I'm on the side that it was more interesting when she was a nobody not related to anyone, I'm pretty sure most people complaints are around there more so than if Palpatine fucked.

*sighs* I think these are going to go down in fandom memory as the SW movies that even adding Palpatine to couldn't save. I don't mind the idea that he's Rey's dad. And ironically, he's got ... basically no bloodline of his own. As far as I know, Sheev was the first Palpatine to be anybody off Naboo. He comes from minor aristocrats like there are on all the worlds, all over the galaxy. He's no more genetically special than Darth Maul is. He's just a brilliant strategist and a very driven, exceptionally powerful Sith Lord.

How would bringing the Emperor back save any movie? His return, assuming he's not a clone, which I don't think this one was, totally invalidates Vader's redemption arc.

Bringing him back was a mistake in itself, making him Rey's DNA just makes it that much worse?

DA

It would improve any movie because the Emperor is awesome and having him in a movie makes that movie better. This is an important angle to keep in mind I think.

Now, is there a good way to actually get him involved in the sequel series, I really don't know. At the very least, if they wanted to bring him back, they should have planned it from the beginning. But it makes sense why they decided to use the Emperor as a Hail Mary when they didn't have any ideas for TROS - it's because the Emperor rules.

Re: The Emperor should have never returned.

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AYRT

See, to me, Vader's redemption arc is what it was, whether Palpatine comes back or not. He sacrificed himself and betrayed his master and in the process saved his son's life. And then died a heroic death, and reconciled with Obi-Wan and Yoda. It was not up to him whether falling umpteen zillion feet in a reactor core actually killed Palpatine or not. And I've never heard anyone argue that Obi-Wan did a shit job avenging Qui-Gonn's death just because chopping Maul in half turned out to be a survivable injury. Or that Yoda's useless because he couldn't stop Palpatine when he duelled him. So, make of that what you will.

Sith in Star Wars - particularly great Sith - are extremely hard to kill. I don't think the arc with Rey works because so much of the storytelling in the new trilogy is an incoherent mess, but I don't have any inherent problem with Palpatine being alive or her being descended from him.

I object to this because it canonizes that to have special powers it's a genetic thing; I found it more interesting to widen the Jedi/special powers lore to more than "you were born into this specialness".

That, and nowhere in the previous two films did anything hint at Rey being related to Palpatine.

The "What is Rey's origin story?" question was terribly answered.

It was less the fact that Rey was a Palpatine than the issue that Palpatine was brought back at all.

TLJ set up Kylo Ren to be the trilogy's big bad. At some point they decided they wanted to redeem him after all, despite (according to Adam Driver) this not being the original plan, and so needed to give him someone ELSE to blame all his problems on. Snoke had been killed, so they brought back Palps.

But then that meant that everything achieved in the OT was pointless. Vader killed Palps to save his son. Only he didn't die, and returned a generation later to successfully corrupt/wipe out the Skywalkers.

Honestly, that Palps fucked and Rey was his grand-offspring was a secondary problem to what his return meant for Kylo Ren and the OT characters.

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