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⌈ Secret Post #6470 ⌋

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Comments

[paperghost]

+1. This mindset discourages people from trying to emphasize from those different from them.

[philstar22]

Thanks for explaining what I wanted to say in much better words, nonny. It got the name "Last Homily House" not because it was welcoming guests all the time but because it was the last elven city/settlement before the place where they could take the ships and return to Valinor. So it was a place that elves from all over could come on their journey towards the ships. That doesn't mean it had guests all the time.

[(Anonymous)]

If women are asked to examine why they like m/m, gay men should examine why they think women writing m/m is inherently fetishistic and wrong. I think if they come to the right conclusion, the answer for most of them will be that they just don't like women so the thought of their experiences occupying women's cootie-riddled brains disgusts them. And the answer to that is that you feeling disgust at something doesn't make the thing morally wrong, which is something any queer person should understand as connected to our history.

[(Anonymous)]

No disrespect to OP, but how would Phoebe respect Dan when the show itself didn't? The Charmed (understandably) barely respected any male character except maybe Cole, and that's debatable. And a side note: Greg Vaughan was/is foine!

Re: Books books books

[(Anonymous)]

see, and I wound up LOVING How to Sell a Haunted House-- the family-as-haunting was still there, even if it was a puppet and not the house itself. But I know other people who were in your camp and really didn't like where it went.

A Botanical Daughter I thought sounded very interesting!

Re: Looking for a new show to watch!

[(Anonymous)]

The Good Place is pretty fantastic (just finished a re-watch)!

Re: Looking for a new show to watch!

[(Anonymous)]

Travelers? It's on Netflix. Sci-fi drama.

Re: Books books books

[(Anonymous)]

I *just* finished The Last Murder at the End of the World by Stuart Turton and I absolutely loved it! Lots of twists, and one clue that I caught early enough on but didn't have QUITE enough information to follow all the way until everything came out...

[(Anonymous)]

Very bad comparison.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, the overwhelming majority of men like this make no bones about the fact that they don't like women. (Which is funny, or perhaps predictable, predicated on the fact that most of them are ex-women.)

[(Anonymous)]

My only issue, and it's a very minor one--as in I don't feel strongly enough to die on a hill about it, is that it seems like women who read M/M have no interest in M/M written by men. Particularly gay/bisexual men. So, the women who write it get to interpret how M/M relationships are seen and consumed in literature.

I've read and enjoyed a lot of M/M written by women, and there are little nuances that come off as very... uninformed. And often, it lacks a recognizable gay/bisexual male perspective. It's so telling that even without knowing the authors' names, it's easy to figure out a woman is the writer.

Women can, of course, write M/M if they want and do it well. Any writer should write whatever they want to write, but it irks how gay and bisexual male voices are overwhelmingly drowned out by usually straight, white women when it comes to the M/M genre, which is a shame considering how small the market is in the first place.

Re: Looking for a new show to watch!

[(Anonymous)]

Troy: Fall of a City is on Netflix and it's a pretty well done adaptation of the Trojan war.

[(Anonymous)]

Has Holly Marie Combs ever had chemistry with anyone? She always gave me "lead in a movie directed by Kevin Sorbo" vibes.

[(Anonymous)]

Ohhh right those two are great too, thanks!

[(Anonymous)]

I know you're shitstirring, but this is so hilariously wrong anyone can tell just from observation. Trans gay men are overwhelmingly supportive of women. Almost every gay man who gatekeeps women from m/m is cis.

Re: Looking for a new show to watch!

[(Anonymous)]

Blue Eye Samurai if you like animated drama.

[(Anonymous)]

Ooo, Ooo! She had amazing chemistry with John Cho! Too bad he was a ghost, and it didn't go anywhere, but still!

Re: Somewhere Beyond the Sea

[(Anonymous)]

I just picked up House on the Cerulean Sea, and I’m excited to read it!

[arcanetrivia]

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Re: Looking for a new show to watch!

[(Anonymous)]

Dead Boy Detectives on Netflix.

Re: Books books books

[(Anonymous)]

I’m half way through The Invention of Murder by Judith Flanders and really enjoying the history and cases.

[(Anonymous)]

Having read lots of m/m books by gay men, I don't feel this at all. In fact, very often I find myself reading something in one of those books that I just know people would be jumping all over for being "not how gay guys really are" if a woman had written it. For example, a frequent complaint is that you know it was written by a woman if one of the male characters giggles. Welp, turns out gay men write about boys and men giggling, too!

[(Anonymous)]

This is, like, 25% my experience. Older gay trans guys, yes, are generally chill with female-written M/M and rally behind the fujo flag. Younger ones (the ones likeliest to be perceived as "fujos" themselves, igss) are the loudest and most strident about not wanting women in "their" spaces. (Women DNI.) And cis gay guys, in aggregate, mostly just do not fw female-frequented fic fandom spaces.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, no? That's not the kind of thing I'm talking about. Not at all.

I mean things like connecting with other gay/bisexual men out in the wild--the experience is just as varied as when straight people do it. But you wouldn't know that from most M/M written by women.

I mean hygiene, diet, pre-prep, clean-up, and those sorts of things gay/bisexual men have to do before, during, and after sex. Those are all details gay/bisexual men deal with that many women don't know about or have no genuine interest in exploring because it's admittedly NOT sexy and gets in the way of the fantasy. Believe me, I know where they're coming from, but it adds that extra bit of submersion.

And all that's fine! The world's not so progressive that we can turn our nose up at representation because straight/queer women write it. But their take is not ours (gay and bisexual men).

Yet women who write M/M have set the tone of what kind of M/M lit is consumed. It's mostly their books that are turned into movies and TV shows. Because let's be real, women buy those books and watch that media more than men, and money talks.

I mean, no hate, but it is what it is.

[(Anonymous)]

My goodness, a Knightmare secret! As a British 90's kid, Knightmare was a huge deal for me and me and my brother used to wake up early to watch it on whatever weird channel it was on. Dad adored it too.

I binged on a fantastic indie dungeon-crawler earlier this year called Cryptmaster and was delighted to hear Hugo Myatt as narrator. His voice is something else.