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⌈ Secret Post #6662 ⌋

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Comments

[thewakokid]

Well, for me my first thought its been 2 and a half months. That excuse wont fly forever, but we got people - in this very thread - claiming that Trumps first term was entirely supported for nearly 4 years by the Obama era economy. You can come at me for still blaming the Biden era after 2 months, but I wanna see you say something about the guys still crediting Obama after 4 years.

Second, Its been 2 and a half months and so far things have not become appreciably worse. Low bar I grant you, and second hand on my part being not local, but I'm hearing things are currently at an stall. Thats better than decline. After 2 months, not getting worse is what we'd expect from a real career politician.

Final line, and this is the one your really not going to like: If you want to make people who supported Trump over Harris regret their support, You gotta sell us on the idea that Harris would be doing a better job. That means making us forget a LOT of shit. I'm sure it seems self evident to you, but bottom line Harris simply didn't make us believe she could turn things around. That she wouldn't be just a continuation of the Biden decline.

Theres a point or two that I deeply dislike about Trumps 2nd term. But not a one that I honestly believe would have been different under another career politician. ESPECIALLY not Harris.

Thats where I am. Take it for what its worth. Dont LOVE responding to the 15 comments calling me an idiot and a fascist and hoping my dick rots off - at least not SO early in the morning, so I might not be back to this thread for a spell, but I hope this if this was a real question its given some insight, and if it was just a vent this doesn't add too much to your anger.

[(Anonymous)]

"so far things have not become appreciably worse"
For you.

Also, that you and people like you believed someone like Trump over Harris says a lot, and not about Harris. Be honest just for one second: You never WANTED to be convinced. She could have been the perfect model of democratic virtues and you STILL would have voted for the fascist tangerine over her.

[hey_hey_hey]

"so far things have not become appreciably worse"
For you.

I think a lot of people who are sneering "lol nothing's changed, [ableist slur]" believe most of the worried people are champagne socialists or wine brunch mom resisters. It's easier to dismiss people perceived as economically comfortable than people who are on the margins of society.

[thewakokid]

I can't deny there's a lot of champagne socialists out there, but I try not to dismiss people. I speak to people. And I know a few people who are doing less than great, and I know a good handful of people who are doing better, and I know a load who are just waiting to see what happens next. And if I'm not on a politically... I don't know the right word, pretend I used a polite word for "badshit rage farm"... like fandom secrets I listen to what people tell me and I try to understand where they are and why they feel that way, and sometimes that means I see some champaign socialists...

And I would like to draw attention to this one point: You seem to be accusing me of dismissing people because I perceive them of being economically comfortable but isn't that what the person you're replying tried to do to me?

My opinions are wrong or ignorant because: "so far things have not become appreciably worse" can ONLY mean that I'm economically comfortable and I need to step outside my own world and agree with them, or I'm just too privileged to respect?

[(Anonymous)]

Yup.

People say she ran a bad campaign. I don't think she did. I think she did the best she could under the circumstances. Any flaws or issues with it are something the Democratic Party collectively owns, not her specifically. Dems should have had a better plan from the start. They should've also been listening to the working class all this time, instead of worrying about their own pockets or continuing to play softball with the other side while pretending it wasn't rapidly turning fascist.

And then there's the problem of Citizens United, a ruling mysteriously passed the year after Obama first took office. Imagine what an endless flow of money can do for a campaign, especially for a political side that historically favors a select few having an endless flow of money. You think some well-meaning folks might get trashed to the point where nobody wants to vote for them?

And on that note, I'm not getting the voters off the hook either. Voting is a right, and one's civic duty. And it's also the voter's responsibility to be informed. Which I realize can be hard to do with the misinformation machine that exists (thanks to CU), but many have managed anyway. I can understanding wanting to try the new guy because the status quo doesn't seem great. But... actively sabotaging the other candidate because one thinks their loved ones' lives will be better under the guy who let nearly a million Americans die due to negligence? Actually believing the economy would be saved by the guy who somehow managed to bankrupt six casinos? That is pure ignorance, and there is no excuse for that.

[thewakokid]

No. I'm english. Things HAVE become appreciably worse for me, but that's not a trump thing, that's a Labour party - and specifically a Starmer thing. But I talk to americans And not just right wingers. some further left than I've ~ever~ been although mostly those people call themselves centrists, none of them particularly wealthy. I ask them what they're finding at the register.

The general reports are in the most heavily populated costal places - specifically new york and S. california inflation does not seem to have slowed and there's sporadic shortages, but this falls more or less inline with the pre-trump economy. And in more central states things are at a holding pattern. A couple of people are swear it seems like they're getting cheaper groceries and petrol, but the general feeling is it's like the economy is holding it's breath in anticipation.

This is what I hear from people who I know well enough to gauge their political derangement. I take their word for it.

And as for Wanting to be convinced? Not really. I just didn't feel moved by the "she's so brat" appeals.

[(Anonymous)]

No. I'm english.

Well that explains a lot.

[(Anonymous)]

The people who chise Trump over Harris because they didn't believe she could do a good job cannot be convinced because at the end of the day it comes down to misogyny and racism. I know you will never believe that, but it is true. She is a professional career woman and Trump is a celebrity. (And a con artist, criminal, rapist.) There should never have even been a debate about who is more qualified.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Every other election before 2016 felt equal. Even if I didn't like the opposite party, both were respectable people with experience in politics. Trump doesn't have that. I disagree with Harris on a LOT of things but I would really like someone to explain to me how she would be worse than the last 2 months.

[(Anonymous)]

Same for Hilary.

[thewakokid]

Well, If you GENUINELY believe the majority of voters are racist misogynists, I suppose when a woman of colour DOES win, you'll HAVE to conclude she cheated then? Right? I mean if you genuinely believe the majority of voters are incapable of being convinced to vote for a woman of colour, you'll pretty much have no CHOICE.

Although given the likelihood that woman of colour will probably be Tulsi, who is a woman of colour for the wrong party, I suppose you wont actually have a problem calling it rigged...

[(Anonymous)]

"Do I need to self-reflect and admit that my privilege is limiting my viewpoint to the extent I am perpetuating a harmful system and invalidating others harmed by that system?

........no, it's everyone else's fault for being so easily offended."

[thewakokid]

I'm going to ignore all the other stuff you got wrong about me, because that "everyone else's fault for being so easily offended." line makes me think you're not actually arguing with me. At least not the version of me that is here in front of you. Do let me know if the version of me that's set up shop in your head says anything interesting or funny. I WILL take credit for that, after all.

As for anything else, It's all on him, not my fault.

[(Anonymous)]

Elon Musk isn't gonna fuck you, and neither is Trump.

I hope you choke on the disgusting cum you're licking out of the dirt, though. Maybe then you'll realize you're not a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.

[(Anonymous)]

you are not dead yet? Karma'll get you for these toxic comments soon.

[thewakokid]

Look, I appreciate the effort, but you're being outshined here by people way less smarter than you. So. STOP. Think. What about my conduct makes you think you're going to get to the fleshy underbelly with gross imagery, implying I'm a homosexual, and death wishes? Does that REALLY strike you as my weak-spot? You're trying to tilt me, go for something that matters to me. My hopes, my dreams, my self image. Come on, you can DO this. What do you know about my hopes and dreams? Do you REALLY think I'll support a rich dude because I worship wealth and power? That strike you as what I want for myself? Slow it down. Consider things for a second. What do you know about me? What do you think I value about myself? What do you think I hang my hat on? Now I can't give you much on that, because if I recognised my own weakness I'd try to build some resilience around it. Like I DON'T like people being mean just out of spite, but if I'm here on F!S, it's because today is a day I'm feeling good enough to take it. I LIKE to think I can take a joke about myself as well as anything, so try there. Try to tilt me on... Idk, being defensive. In fact thinking about it, that might actually work. I DO feel the need to reply to EVERYONE out of the fear that I'm giving a poor representation of myself, that I'm not being clear and that I'll look like I've given up on things if I don't, you could certainly work that into a "having the last word because you can't take a joke" kinda thing? I dunno. Like I say if I could give you specifics I'd have already tried to fix them, but you see what I'm saying.

What about my overly long replies? There might be something in that for you? but cocks and cum and death? Motherfucker that's my bailiwick.

[(Anonymous)]

"Second, Its been 2 and a half months and so far things have not become appreciably worse."

Dude, I kinda like you and we probably agree more than disagree on other topics, and I wish more people responded to you in good faith instead of dumb SJW "you're a meanie Nazi" shit. But do you not see the trade war, mass tariffs, and *legal* immigrants (not illegals or criminals) getting deported? I haven't been affected on a personal level, but even as someone not in a woke bubble it's getting slightly worse. And I do not buy into the hysteria people have about this being like Germany or the USSR either.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't been affected on a personal level, but even as someone not in a woke bubble it's getting slightly worse. And I do not buy into the hysteria people have about this being like Germany or the USSR either.

Yeah, this is where you lose credibility.

You use woke in a pejorative way and write off the constant fuckery from the WH and the fake government agency (I refuse to call it DOGE) over the last 10 weeks as "hysteria."

Now, it's possible you're just not getting the news that everyone else is getting. Or maybe you don't really understand history. But I feel like if anyone is in a bubble, it's you. You're not personally affected? Well at least you can admit that. But you are way too comfortable with what's going down right now.

[(Anonymous)]

USSR was great. Germany's not bad either, minus 1935-45 and 2024+. Basically when it's not nazi.

[thewakokid]

I know a couple of people in new york, and they report it's not great at the till. and one cali girl who isn't finding it easier. But no-one I know over there is telling me it's worse than Biden, so I really don't see why trump was the wrong move unless I believed Harris would have been BETTER than Biden OR Trump, and you gotta know that's going to be a hard sell to me. You can TRY, you can't do any worse than "she'd have been so Brat".

But while I know a few people in the flyovers who are doing better, you're right there are some people who are NOT doing better, and DO need something to happen soon. But I say 2.5 months is just too early to call it as being a huge mistake.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I get it. I'm not happy with Trump at all and think he's an awful president fwiw and I would've preferred Harris but I also believe the difference would not be as great as many think, and some good things may come out of his presidency. I was not happy with Biden either, and frustrated that all criticism of him was shut down as "Trump propaganda" because "he's our only choice" for awhile. It's very disheartening to hear liberals try to argue that their candidate must be good just because it's not the Republican candidate. "It's not a vote for Biden, it's a vote against Trump" doesn't make people confident.

The two party system is going nowhere, we need a party for the working class. Or at least big changes in the Democratic party, prioritizing the problems of working class people. MAGA speaks to the economic and social anxieties of Americans of this time, people have been failed by earlier rightwing and leftwing movements. The Dems need to wake up and stop running on maintaining the status quo that no one wants maintained + failing to even maintain that, because people do want change, and many of them don't care what it looks like at this point. I see why people think Trump could be good for our country, though I disagree.

Lol idk. Just wanted to give you a different type of reply since most ppl on here are hardcore liberal blue no matter who commenters.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not happy with Trump at all and think he's an awful president fwiw and I would've preferred Harris but I also believe the difference would not be as great as many think

I'm not exactly sure how you are calculating this "difference" but I can guarantee we wouldn't have tariffs, or a fake agency dismantling the government and its protective programs at an alarming rate, in order to put more money into the pockets of billionaires.

Just because the Democrats can and should do better doesn't put them anywhere near the level of a fascist regime.

[thewakokid]

The issue is, the 2 party system is a GOLDMINE for what some my call "the DEEEEEEEP state." Or the establishment. Or however you want to frame it. You don't have to be GOOD, just better than the other guy. That, shit that's what had Biden shuffle his dementia ridden ass into the seat of power.

Any attempt to form a legitimate 3rd party for the poors would IMMEDIATLY be framed as either "dangerous racist white supremecist super hitlers" and "Commie degenerate satanic paedophiles" by EVERY SINGLE OUTLET worldwide.

And in all honesty, as much as I like to nurture some optimism where I can, I simply don't believe the majority of voters have it in them to resist the urge to outsource their opinions to their preferred brand of media.

[(Anonymous)]

His trade war is going to make things a lot worse for me, and the shit that DOGE is doing is already making things much worse for people I love. And that's not even getting into what's being done to the Department of Health and the CDC. We have a spreading measles epidemic brewing in the US, a tuberculosis outbreak that is getting worse and now typhus is back.

[thewakokid]

"is going to"

Oh damn. I'm sorry. Hey, before you go, could I maybe get next weeks lotto numbers?

I'm being a jerk, because I find it funny, but I should say your fears are reasonable. It's normal to be anxious and to be worried, and maybe even be convinced that things are going to get bad... I don't want to dismiss your feelings, because as little as they affect me, or anyone else, they are important to YOU. But in the context of this discussion, that's not really the same as "Thing HAVE gotten worse".

I'm not going to address the DOGE thing, because I've done government work before. I liked it a lot. But... I don't want to say what I think will be the big picture economic outcome of people who were working for USAID and other inflated and... just other places being laid off will be, especially if those are people you love. Lets just say I hope they find another job, and agree to differ on the question of DOGE being a net positive / net negative.

And Since we're in an environment of an actual massive inflation... doesn't that mean Biden made things worse? Hell, for OTHER people Biden will have actually cost people their lives - not you, obviously, so he wasn't THAT bad, but other people you don't know or have reason to care about or maybe think deserved to die? and that's not a hypothetical future prediction, that's hindsight. Does that mean it was wrong to vote for him? For him to be given the presidency?