[ SECRET POST #1146 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1146 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

101.


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102.
(Oingo Boingo)


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103.
[Syfy's Alice]


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104.
(Kaiketsu Zorro)


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105.
[How clean is your house?]


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106.
[Die Drei ??? / The Three Investigators]


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107.
[Zombieland]


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108.
[Avatar]


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109.
[Pride and Prejudice, 2005 Version]


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110.
[That '70s Show]


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111.
[Misfits]


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112.
[Muse]


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113.
[Knights of the Old Republic II]


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114.
[Girly]


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115.
[One Piece]


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116.
[Kings of Leon]


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117.
[ReBoot]


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118.
[Avatar]


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119.
[Avatar]


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120.
[BtVS]


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121.
[Left 4 Dead 2]


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122.
(Least I Could Do)


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123.
[Detective Conan]


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124.
[The Sarah-Jane Adventures]


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125.
[Hellsing/Bayonetta]


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126.
[Amanda Palmer]


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127.
[The Big Bang Theory]


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128.
(Invader Zim)


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129.
[The Muppets Take Manhattan]


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130.
[Sophie's Choice]


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131.
[Shooting Dogs/Beyond the Gates]


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132.
[Hey Ash, Watcha Playin'?]


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133.
[The Cleveland Show]


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134.
[Hetalia]


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135.
[Iron Man]


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136.
[J.R. Celski]


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137.
[Star Trek XI]


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138.
[Jeremy Abbott]


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139.
[The Dollars Trilogy]


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140.
[Final Fantasy XIII]


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141.
[Fullmetal Alchemist]


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142.
[Dirk Bogarde, Glynis Johns, Anthony Forwood RPS]


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143.
[emilie autumn]


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144.
[Sora wo Kakeru Shoujo]


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145.
[Doctor Who]


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146.
[Nathan Fillion, David Boreanaz]


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147.
[Bleach]


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148.
[Golo Mann]


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149.
[Mr. Keith Olbermann and Dr. Rachel Maddow]


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150.
[Up]


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151.
[Mahou Sensei Negima]


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152.
(Sally Lockhart books)


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153.
[Apolo Ohno]


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154.
[Poupee Girl]


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155.
[Dangerous Liaisons]


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156.
[God Hand]


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157.
[Hustle/Leverage]


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158.
[Deadliest Catch]


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159.
[Durarara!!]


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160.
[NCIS/The Mentalist]


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161.
[Avatar]


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162.
[Naruto]


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163.
[James Dean]


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164.
[Law & Order: Criminal Intent]


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165.
[The Muppets]



Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 159 secrets from Secret Submission Post #164.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

guess it wasn't me then! I got no such reply to any of the anonymous kinks I've filled.

I think you did the right thing but saying you liked it, even if you didn't.

[feywood.livejournal.com]

Oh yes. Lying. Awesome.

[fangirlism]

The difference here is that the person was filling a request for the SP. It's like getting a gift: if you hated a gift would you tell the person who gave it to you to their face? No, you wouldn't cause that's rude. You'd smile, nod, and tell them it's a very nice gift and thank them for thinking of you.

Yes, you're lying, but in this instance it's okay.

[feywood.livejournal.com]

So all gift fic is exempt from concrit?

Constructive criticism doesn't mean being rude.

There's worse lies than this one. Doesn't mean it's okay.

[fangirlism]

So all gift fic is exempt from concrit?

By the person who the gift is for, yes.

Edit: I might see it differently because I've done holiday gift exchanges (like yuletide and I would never consider concritting my gift fics, even if I didn't like them)

[feywood.livejournal.com]

So basically, just because it's for you, it could be the worst fucking fic EVER and you'd still smile and tell them you like it?
Wow. Personally, I'd prefer if people were honest with me.

[fangirlism]

Yes, I would. I would find the one thing I liked about it and focus on it. Because it was gift for me, and the author - even if they aren't very good - did take the time and effort to create something just for me.

[aurrai.livejournal.com]

Hey feywood.
SHUT UP FUCK UP.
(because I'm sure linear_flower is too nice to say it.

[(Anonymous)]

The difference here is that people are actually giving that fic to you. It's like you received something on christmas, and would go all ":| Well the intention was nice and I like how you thought about it but the colour is bad because so and so..."

[feywood.livejournal.com]

Yeah, so I was raised to be polite, but honest. If you get a gift, you expect the person to know you well enough to pick the right thing. If you place a request, you expect them to fulfill it and not write you drivel. If they do, you do have a right to tell them. You don't HAVE to shut up just because it's 'polite'.

No one's honest anymore.

[fangirlism]

I already tried that analogy, didn't work.

[miss_prince.livejournal.com]

I'd say it depends on how it's presented. TO CONTINUE THE GIFT ANALOGY:

Case 1: The fic doesn't appeal to you, but it's clear the author tried to make something you'd like. It's like getting a lumpy hand-knitted sweater -- you may not like it, you'll probably never wear it, but they put a lot of effort into it for you, so it's probably best to just say thank you and that you, uh, like the color. No need to lie and say "omg I will wear this every day it's perfect!" but acknowledgment that they tried and you appreciate that.

Case 2: The author was totally half-assing it (probably more common in exchanges than kink memes, I guess). It's like someone getting you a five dollar McDonald's gift certificate when you don't even eat at McDonald's. In this case, I don't see why anyone needs to pretend they like a story like that, and the author doesn't deserve to get away with it.

Just how I see it.

[feywood.livejournal.com]

And I still vote for concrit in both situations. They tried! That's great! Concrit is, usually, both positive and negative, so I don't see why they shouldn't get some. I never said that anyone should say "oh wow this is awful why did you even bother typing it?"

[soymade.livejournal.com]

Yes, THIS. This exactly.

[asimaiyat.livejournal.com]

I am so with you here.

[apoliticalphase.livejournal.com]

You got quite a lot thrown at you for this, but tbh I agree with you. I've lied to people who've gotten me things I don't like because I'm too polite to say anything else. But I really think what you're saying is right. You don't have to be mean, but constructive criticism is always much more of a help to a person. People just need to learn to take criticism as it comes because it's always going to be there.

[feywood.livejournal.com]

If you don't want criticism, you should just hide out at home, alone. Pretty much anything else is open to it.

[(Anonymous)]

If you don't want people to give you gifts because they're afraid they'll get it wrong, you should act like you are in this thread :)

[feywood.livejournal.com]

Yeah, because I would clearly just eviscerate them, not give them concrit, like I've been saying. Way to draw a conclusion, fuckface.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you a human? Do you have human feelings?

Writing is putting yourself out there, it's shoving yourself on stage and preforming for people. Getting concrit can be a devastating experience. Every published author I've ever read talks about the emotionally wracking and painful experience of the red-pen stage with an editor. Getting a gift that you write for someone nitpicked is extremely harsh, especially because most people aren't going into it expecting concrit.

That's seriously like saying, "this is good, but it could've been better." A fine statement for a story someone just posts, but when it's a gift? Seriously? Why someone writes it for you? "hn, maybe you should've worked a little harder." If you responded to something I made for you like that, that would be the last give you got from me. Not out of bitterness, but I'd just be too afraid of being hurt again.

[feywood.livejournal.com]

If you can't deal with concrit (and I do mean proper concrit, not a list of everything that's wrong with it) then you want to reconsider making any of your writing public. It is not my job (or anyone's, for that matter) to coddle the precious feelings of sparkly-poo the supersensitive writer.

Everything can always be better. If you don't realise that, you're an idiot.

You're precious, you really are.

Want an example? I just, like five minutes ago, finished knitting a shawl for my grandmother. It's pinned down and drying as we speak. You know what she's going to do when she gets it? She's going to look at it and she's going to point out where it could be better. She'll look at the scalloped edge and might say "hm, it's a bit uneven" or at the center line and say it's not quite even or at one of the nupps and say "oh that one's not quite right". And all the while, I will still know that she likes it, because she'll say that too. And you know what? Next time I knit? I'll do better. I'll pay attention to those things. Because someone made the time and took the effort to give me criticism. That's how it works.
If that's too much for your delicate sensibilities, just go away. Don't ever make or write anything ever again because people will just lie to you and you'll never improve or know what they really feel (and if you say "I don't want to improve", then you're more of an idiot than I thought).

[(Anonymous)]

I actually agree and I'm a bit saddened that people seem to take 'be honest' to be synonmyous with something like 'be harsh, critical, and show no gratitude'. There's nothing wrong with saying 'thanks' and giving some constructive criticism in return. I'm all for being grateful if a friend got me a lumpy handknit sweater, but I'd also try to help her improve her sewing.

Honesty doesn't necessarily mean 'rude'. What a sugarcoated world we live in.

[feywood.livejournal.com]

Thank you!

[(Anonymous)]

Really, you'd try to improve her sewing, right there? Right after she hands you the gift? You wouldn't wait a short amount of time, maybe a week or two? You'd do it right there when she hands you the sweater, "nice, but oh here, here and here, it's a little lumpy!" you'd say that while looking her in the eye, after she spent maybe months of effort on that sweater, sewing it for you. You'd say right there, while holding your new sweater, that she needs to improve her sewing (so much so that you're compelled to say something!) and, hey, you'd be more than happy to help her with that!!!

It doesn't matter how you say it, in that moment, that receiving-a-gift moment, responding with anything but gratitude is rude.

You could wait with a sweater, you could bring it up later, "hey I noticed this and this, maybe I could show you some pointers!" but that doesn't work in fandom, generally, unless you know the person. You generally have one moment to respond to a giftfic, a comment box. Using that comment box for concrit, for a giftfic, is rude. It just is. It really, really is. We have literally thousands of other occasions for responding with concrit, a giftfic just isn't one of them, at least not for the recipient.