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[ SECRET POST #1509 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1509 ⌋

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If Dumbledore was the only reason Petunia was taking care of Harry, then she would have thrown him out the second Dumbledore died. But she didn't. She continued to take care of him after Dumbledore's death. She should've done a better job of it, but she still kept him.

Snape didn't need to give Harry special treatment - he just needed to treat him like a normal student. But he deliberately made his life miserable solely because of who his father was. Harry was never the bully that James was, but Snape couldn't have cared less. He protected Harry at the end of the day, but he kicked and screamed along the way as much as Petunia did.

And Lily never gave Snape a reason to treat her the way he did either. He didn't have to lose her. She stood by him until he started getting into that whole "Mudblood" idea. She would've stood by Petunia as well, but Petunia pushed her away before she could.

Dumbledore guilted her into it. I'm not saying he threatened to beat her or something. And if someone makes you feel guilty enough, that guilt will continue even if they're dead.

And I'm not saying that Snape's treatment of Harry should completed be ignored. Obviously not. He acted towards Harry the same way James acted towards him; he was awful to him simply for existing. The only difference is that, although Harry didn't actually do anything, he reminded Snape of James, who made his teenage years miserable and "stole his girl" (in Snape's mind, not my own). Looking at Harry and knowing that he's James' son with Lily probably ripped out his heart every single time. So he "kicked and screamed" and he gave Harry a hard time in school and failed him on stuff and took points from Gryffindor. Petunia committed child abuse. And she let her husband and son abuse Harry too. And not just psychologically; both Vernon and Dudley were physically violent towards Harry.

No, Snape didn't have to lose Lily. And yes, he was a giant dick for treating her the way he did. But people lash out in anger and when they feel betrayed. Seeing her Lily dating Jame was the ultimate betrayal to Snape because Lily knew how James treated Snape. He was deeply hurt by that. And he drifted into a bad crowd. If you've ever known someone who had a very rough upbringing and very few friends, you'll understand how an event like that in your life can hurt so much worse than it might for someone else. Petunia still had her family that loved her. Snape was already intensely alone. Again, not excusing his behavior cuz it was still shitty behavior. But just putting it in perspective.

Uhm... Dumbledore also guilted Snape into watching over Harry. A lot. Repeatedly. To the point where it seemed kind of fucked up and vindictive yet justifiable yet still manipulative as hell. Seriously, it's not like Snape found out that Lily and James were killed and Harry survived and took it upon himself to protect Harry. Really, maybe you need to re-read the books, kiddo.

While I don't at all appreciate your condescension and your assumption that I'm a child, I'll respond to you anyway. I personally weigh actions done out of love and guilt heavier than those done out of simple guilt. But that's just me.

I personally weigh actions done out of love and guilt heavier than those done out of simple guilt. But that's just me.

Which makes your argument irrelevant, then, because there is no love for Harry in this equation. There is, however, arguably just as much "love" for Lily in Petunia as there is in Snape. Both treated her exceptionally poorly based on their decisions to give in to jealousy and insecurity, and beyond that, Snape's affection for Lily was neither romantic nor loving - it was sick and obsessed. He was more than happy to have Voldemort off James AND Harry in exchange for "getting" Lily afterwards. When that didn't work out, it was Dumbledore's suggestions that even pulled enough guilt from Snape to do as he promised in the first place.

Bad-mouthing her/her choice of husband for the child's entire life doesn't really point to love and affection. Maybe she did love Lily but I didn't see it in my reading of the books.

Well, she was her little sister. I'm usually a stickler for looking for textual evidence for things, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to take it for granted that she loved her sister. Didn't necessarily like her, but as a general rule - unless something terrible has gone down - love for even the most exasperating sibling is as hard to get rid of as iTunes from a PC.

LOL I love that analogy.

Okay... Wanting/agreeing to have her family murdered so Snape can have her to herself doesn't point to love and affection either! We are shown in canon that Petunia loved her sister in their childhood (enough that she was hurt by all of this) - same as your argument that Snape loved Lily in their childhood, "before" she died, etc.

Seriously, if you want to know why I sounded condescending before, THIS is why - you just don't seem to have a very mature or grounded perspective, here. PS, "kiddo" isn't the same as calling someone a child.

It's condescending as hell though. And completely unnecessary. This is a civil conversation. A tone like that has no place.

Bad-mouthing doesn't just show dislike. You take the time to badmouth someone when you feel a strong enough disdain or hatred for them that you just can't contain yourself. That's what Snape had for James. Petunia obviously had it for both Lily and James. It's obvious that Snape was deluded and that his love for Lily was warped enough for him to find the death of her family OK, but in terms of Lily herself, Snape did show affection.

(This is the anon from before, by the way, the one who didn't call you a kid.)

But Snape did abuse Harry. It wasn't anything physical, possibly because he wasn't in charge of Harry's physical care, but he did emotionally abuse him. Imo, that's just as bad.

And Lily didn't date James until after she and Snape had fallen out. Up until then, she was standing by him and refusing to give James a chance. We never even saw Petunia's upbringing very closely. We don't even know if her parents loved her. And even if they did, I don't think Snape should get a free pass just because he had a worse childhood than her.

I'm not giving him a free pass. That's not my intention. I'm just trying to remind people that the damage done in childhood matters in adulthood. While Petunia did suffer because she wanted to go to Hogwarts and couldn't and felt alienated from her sister because of it, I don't think that's a real cause for her behavior towards Harry. Yes, she was a child for it and we don't see her whole upbringing but I think that JK would have put it in the books if she were abused/treated badly as a child; she did it will all her other characters for whom it was important and relevant information.

JK left out a lot of important things that she only clarifies in interviews, so I wouldn't be surprised. But even if Petunia wasn't abused, I still don't think Snape should get any more forgiveness than her. Harry was abused, but he didn't end up being mean to people for absolutely no reason.

I haven't watched any of her interviews. Does she mention Petunia's upbringing?

But Harry went to Hogwarts and found all those friends and people to support him through all his years and temper the bad times with the Durseleys with good memories. He had Dumbledore, McGonagall, Ron, Hermione, all the Weasleys- all of those people who loved. Snape didn't have that. He had Lily. And he lost that. I've just seen what things a broken home can lead someone to so I guess I'm more sympathetic (but NOT completely forgiving) towards him because of it. I've had friends for whom I was the only person who really cared so I guess I just see my friend in him.

Not that I can recall. Usually she only answers what people are most eager to know (who marries who, for the most part).

Snape only had Lily, but he could've had more friends if he hadn't gotten so into the Dark Arts. Maybe not with more Gryffindors, but I'm sure there were people from Ravenclaw or something who would've been willing to give him a chance. And as someone who was abused and didn't grow up to be like Snape, I guess that's why I don't like to see him so easily forgiven.

He definitely could have had more friends but the feeling that I got from the books was that he was already an outcast. Like he'd been judged by those around him (not just James) and found lacking. Falling in with a bad crowd that accepted him when he was already feeling alienated just makes sense to me, however much it sucks that it was Death Eaters than he fell in with. The Dark Arts people were the ones who were willing to give him a chance; that's the crappy thing. That when someone is feeling vulnerable, they're susceptible to all kinds of bad influences.

I'm sorry you were abused as a child. The fact that you overcame it makes you stronger than most. But as I just said, most people aren't as strong as you. I've known people who couldn't overcome their horrible circumstances. They internalized it and made bad choices because of it and they weren't strong enough to make the right choice.

I don't know, I got the feeling that he didn't have to be an outcast. We saw him being judged by Petunia because of his lack of money, but I don't think the kids at Hogwarts would care so much. The Weasleys got a hard time from certain people, but they still made friends. His interest in the Dark Arts, on the other hand, could've made him more of an outcast, but I guess that depends on which you think came first - him being outcasted or him falling in with the bad crowd.

Well, thank you for that. I think it's realistic that not everyone in the Harry Potter universe overcomes abuse, but I don't think it makes it alright.

But he was that kid in Slytherin. So that was an extra mark against him. The House atmosphere definitely propagates a bit of a separatist attitude, especially in terms of Slytherin. That surely made it harder to make friends outside his House.

It may have made it harder, but not impossible. And it's a bit of a chicken-egg situation too, if Snape became bitter and dark before or after the sorting ceremony.

I'd say he was most likely bitter and dark because of his upbringing. It most likely got worse after the Sorting. Being in Slytherin probably sowed the seeds.

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