[ SECRET POST #1544 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1544 ⌋

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Comments

[leafing.livejournal.com]

It seems worth noting at this point that there are many of us who hate the religion, but do not necessarily hate the religious.

+1

[interrobangings.livejournal.com]

[(Anonymous)]

Saw a documentary today in which someone said: we condemn homosexuality, not homosexuals.

I get your point, however, when people rage against something someone identifies with, then the shame and hate extends to that someone's sense of identity and self. Not saying that people don't have the right to do voice their opinion against religion. The consequences are just sad.

[leafing.livejournal.com]

Now that you mention it, I do remember back in my religious days it was popular to say "Hate the sin, not the sinner." It does seem like there's only such an extent to which you can dislike a person's way of life before it becomes toxic to others.

[(Anonymous)]

The difference is that you can't stop being homosexual. By condemning homosexuality people are basically saying that homosexuals should somehow stop being homosexual, or at least not act on their preferences. You CAN stop being religious, you can reconsider your beliefs, your way of seeing the world - it's not something you ARE forever and ever. I don't hate religious people, but I think of them a bit like I'd think of someone with a serious drug problem - I wish they could find a way out of it and go on to live a healthy, happy life without crazy delusions, as comforting as they may be sometimes.

[(Anonymous)]

Excuse me? So because I'm a religious individual, I am the equivalent of a drug addict in your eyes? I'm sorry, but this is the EXACT SAME PHILOSOPHY that many fundamentalists, homophobes, misogynists, etc. have towards anyone who dares to defy the convention. That somehow, these people are to be pitied, to be rehabilitated, that they are simply deluding themselves and if only they could see the supposed light, they can live healthy, happy, normal lives.

I'm going to tell you the exact fucking thing I tell fundamentalists everywhere--I DO NOT NEED YOU TO SAVE MY SOUL. I do not need you to "wish [I] could find a way out of it". I do not need your pity, and your hope for me to get better, because you know what? I am perfectly happy. And I find it insulting that you would compare a group of people following a particular belief system, to drug addicts, who deliberately put themselves through pain and problems. Because, really everyone, liquefying your insides is the EXACT SAME as believing that our existence is not a coincidence.

Why don't you go tell your fucked up view to the millions of doctors, scientists, Nobel Prize winners, engineers, lawyers, activists, and all the individuals on this planet who have made something of themselves, who happen to be religious? Because clearly, they ALL need help--they're the same as drug addicts after all, and if they're not saved before it's too late, they could end up going down the wrong road!

Oh, and let's not forget Albert Einstein, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Copernicus, Max Planck, Kepler, Farraday, Galileo, Akbar, Sir Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, Desmond Tutu, and all those other people who believed in God. Clearly, they are ALL deluded individuals as well.

[outou.livejournal.com]

For some people, believing in God isn't negotiable. I'm an agnostic myself, but some members of my family -- my own father especially, whom I love and respect as an intelligent, reasonable man -- have derived so much strength from their belief that it's a part of who they are. Trying to "reconsider" themselves would be akin to taking away their sight or hearing.

On another note: I've heard the "drug addict" simile applied to homosexuals before, with the same type of fake concern you're using here. "Why can't they just find a way out of it and go on to live a healthy, happy life without crazy relationships?" It's no one's prerogative to tell a gay man or a lesbian that he/she is just deluded, since it's wrong to force someone to change a trait that's unchangeable. As hard as it may be for you to understand, religious faith can be just as unchangeable -- otherwise, what kind of faith would it be?

[(Anonymous)]

oh my god, that is not fucking comparable at all you fucking idiot

being homophobic is not the same as criticizing homophobic and otherwise bigoted religions while still having respect for those who follow them

[uncieloazul.livejournal.com]

This. I hate the fact that religions exist, not the people who have those beliefs.

[avatarmn.livejournal.com]

But how is it rational to not mind the people who keep something you hate going? Hate the rape, not the rapist. Wat?

[glansbilde.livejournal.com]

Really? That's not comparable at all. Being religious does not mean you do horrible things. Rape is an a soecific act of violence. Religion is a belief- those are two incredibly different things.

[avatarmn.livejournal.com]

I compared instigator to instigator, not the actions themselves.

[glansbilde.livejournal.com]

That makes no sense. Someone who THINKS about raping people(has that "belief" if you want) is not the same as a rapist(Someone who has raped). You compared a thought-process to a specific action.

[avatarmn.livejournal.com]

WHAT they're supporting doesn't matter. Forget religion. Forget rape. Plug in ANYTHING. If someone is supporting something you hate, it's rational to have a problem with them.

[glansbilde.livejournal.com]

But that's were you're wrong. Believing in a God does not mean supporting ANYTHING. There are plenty of religious people who are not part of organazied religion. Besides I can think of various people that I like despite not agreeing with every single opinion they have ever had. Of course you can like someone while not liking what they like. or else it's like saying that if I hate the Twilight books I have to hate everyone who ever liked them. That makes no sense.

[avatarmn.livejournal.com]

Faith in God supports irrational, illogical thinking. Believing shit that is on the scale of very unlikely to provably false is pretty much everything that's wrong with American political discourse and public policy, for example. Its doing tremendous damage, and I fucking hate it for that. And I think believing that faith is the highest virtue is largely to blame. When you value what you have faith in to the contradiction of what there is evidence of, you'll make the wrong decision every time, and people will suffer. So yeah, believing in God can come without religion, but it supports faith very strongly, and dogma is half of why religion is so bad but faith itself is the other half.

[anivad.livejournal.com]

"Faith in God supports irrational, illogical thinking."

That depends on the reason for belief.

[leafing.livejournal.com]

If the rapist didn't rape, would you still hate them?

[avatarmn.livejournal.com]

::eyeroll:: I guess you got me there. And if the religious person didn't religion I wouldn't hate them, either.