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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-04-23 03:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #1572 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1572 ⌋


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[identity profile] madroxsquared.livejournal.com 2011-04-23 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
You mean in your opinion, right? ;)

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course it's OP's opinion. (And for OP, the opinion is fact). Why do people make such a big deal about that?

[identity profile] madroxsquared.livejournal.com 2011-04-23 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
For the OP, their opinion is just that - their opinion.

Semantics is probably the 'big deal' that people fixate on

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
If I say Good Omens is a shitty book, it is a shitty book (to me). That is a fact. Yes, adding 'to me' also showcases it as an opinion, but it's only the elitist, obnoxious shit-stirrer that refuses to recognize something that is very obviously implied.

In other words, stop being such a troll.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
No, saying it is a shitty book makes it your opinion. A fact is unarguable. It is a fact that the Earth rotates around the Sun. It is your opinion that something is shitty or awesome. It doesn't matter if it's true to you, a fact is true to everyone everywhere. That is a fact.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
And it is unarguable that I think it is a shitty book. I will always think it is a shitty book. That is a fact. If you need to have the "I think" in front of that sentence, you're an idiot.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow...you really don't understand what a fact or an opinion are. That makes me really sad. I'm going to pretend that you're like 13 or something so your lack of knowledge doesn't make me as sad. I'll pretend that as your grow up and mature you'll gain a better understanding of vocabulary and everything will turn out puppies and rainbows.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, and I'll pretend you've just discovered college and are eager to show off just how ~genius~ you are and in a few years that will all be out of your system and you won't be such a passive aggressive bitch.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Aww, you're so cute. Thanks for saying I seem like I'm in college, makes me feel young again! *kisses*

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(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
You don't seem to know what a fact is. Opinion =/= fact. You can't deny someone has an opinion but their opinion is not necessarily fact. There's no need for name calling, especially when your comment is wrong.

[identity profile] madroxsquared.livejournal.com 2011-04-23 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh.

What an inappropriately angry response

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh.

What a useless comment that absolutely fails to address the verbal hole you fell in.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Opinions are not facts.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
For the person giving it, it is. If I think Good Omens is shit, it's shit (to me). That is a fact, and the opinion is implied. It doesn't make you or the person above look smart to be all "Symantics! Opinions aren't facts! Blah blah blah!" It just makes you look like an idiot who needs the world spelled out for you and ideas spoonfed to you because you're incapable of reading between the widest of lines.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
ok while i agree that "My opinion is..." is implied and doesn't need to be explicitly stated in secrets or posts, you're trying to argue that your opinions count as facts, which is the stupidest thing ever. "Good Omens is shit" can't be a fact because there's no way to test or prove it, it can only be an opinion because it's inherently subjective. So drop that argument, because it's dumb and is just completely undermining your overall point of "you guys need to read inbetween the lines instead of being so literal"

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
The fact is not that Good Omens is shit for everybody. The fact is that is shit for me. The fact is that that is my opinion. It is my personal fact that I can prove with all the ways I hate it.

Why is it that fandom people can go on and on about "their own personal headcanon" for shows and whatnot but THIS is just apparently the most confusing, wrong thing ever?

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
The fact is you don't know the difference between opinion and fact. The fact is you are wrong. The fact is that people have different opinions on Good Omens and that's okay. Your opinion is that it's a shitty book. The fact is that your opinion is only true for you, and therefore only an opinion.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
No, look.
"Good Omens is shit" is not a fact. It is an opinion. It can only be an opinion.
"I think Good Omens is shit" can be a fact. Almost everyone is capable of inferring that "Good Omens is shit", the apparent fact, actually was intended to mean "I think it's shit", the actual opinion. This doesn't mean that the two are equivalent.
There is no such thing as a "personal fact". That's called an "opinion", a thing that is true for you personally but not for everyone. You are really being quite dense here. You can't say "And for OP, the opinion is fact", since the OP isn't fucking delusional; them (or you) saying it's shit doesn't make the book literally transform into a pile of faeces. If everyone considered their opinion to be a fact there wouldn't be a word for opinion and society would collapse, you dumbass. Nobody's confused or wrong except you, hth

this comment right here

[identity profile] oflittlebrain.livejournal.com 2011-04-24 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
yes, i mean, for fuck's sake

in elementary school you learn about OPINIONS vs FACTS

not OPINIONS vs FACTS vs PERSONAL FACTS!!!11

(Anonymous) 2011-04-23 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

Good god. They're saying the fact is that they have an opinion not the opinion itself.

Fact: Anon has an opinion that the book is shit

Opinion: The book is shit

People can't be this dense, can they?

(Anonymous) 2011-04-24 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Yeahhhhh. I got that the first time the anon said it. Dunno why everyone else is having such a problem. Reading comprehension fail? =/

(Anonymous) 2011-04-24 07:18 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I think it's just that this Fandom!Secrets on LJ -- one of the most likely communities on one of the most likely sites for finding arrogant "academics" who only want to tear other people down.

Those comments made me glad I posted anon, but yours and the one you replied to almost make me wish I hadn't.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-24 07:19 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I was beginning to think I was just a crazy person.

[identity profile] demishock.livejournal.com 2011-04-24 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
I'm going to feel like a goober if I'm wrong, but are you by any chance making a reference to The Good Wife? *wishful thinking*

[identity profile] taleya.livejournal.com 2011-04-27 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
Completely OT, but utter icon loooove :D


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