[ SECRET POST #155 ]

[grayout.livejournal.com]

⌈ Secret Post #155 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 114 secrets from Secret Submission Post #023.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Sunday, June 10th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: Here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

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[waka-laka.livejournal.com]

How is the film any different from the book or manga in terms of canon? I mean, aside from the fact that they leave some characters without their stories, the plot is essentially the same... (except the car chase, but that was stupid ANYWAY)

[zoom-gas.livejournal.com]

1. wait...what?
7. frankthecomic

[demonoflight.livejournal.com]

15

YOU ARE SO RIGHT

I LOVE YOU

[jantra.livejournal.com]

May I ask why you agree with #15 and why you said what you did? I could understand why some people don't like Liquid Fire, because it wasn't written very seriously or for completely canon. As I say in it, it is a roleplay. And I didn't force anyone to read it.

When I first came to the KH fandom, I did not know what comms were active or not. The method I chose for formating my fanfic posts is the agreed upon format for most of the big FMA comms so I thought it would translate well here.

I did not know I was even 'spamming' people at first until a kind mod from one of the comms told me. And then... I stopped. Now I only post in khyaoi and 0kingdom_hearts. That's it. Nothing else except my own LJ which I can assume you don't have friended.

So... can you tell me why? Because of an unknowing accident?

[demonoflight.livejournal.com]

Um, how should I say this... your fanfics suck. You don't know how to characterize well at all, all your characters sound like the same weepy 16-year-old girl, the sex isn't hot and repeats itself, and your general writing skills leave something to be desired.

I wouldn't have minded so much if it wasn't for the damn spamming. If a person is spamming so much, one has to check if the thing being spammed is really worthy of the spamming. At least, that's what I think.

The spamming's come and gone, but your rep has pretty much gone to the dumps with me. When I see your new fics, I groan. When I hear from people who dare to read them that they still suck, I groan once more. It's not the worse fic in the history of the fandom, but it's epically terrible anyway.

[alba-aulbath.livejournal.com]

15: Whoever you are, we are now to be married. Immediately.

That's right. NOW.

[jantra.livejournal.com]

May I ask why you agree with #15 and why you said what you did? I could understand why some people don't like Liquid Fire, because it wasn't written very seriously or for completely canon. As I say in it, it is a roleplay. And I didn't force anyone to read it.

When I first came to the KH fandom, I did not know what comms were active or not. The method I chose for formating my fanfic posts is the agreed upon format for most of the big FMA comms so I thought it would translate well here.

I did not know I was even 'spamming' people at first until a kind mod from one of the comms told me. And then... I stopped. Now I only post in khyaoi and 0kingdom_hearts. That's it. Nothing else except my own LJ which I can assume you don't have friended.

So... can you tell me why? Because of an unknowing accident?

[alba-aulbath.livejournal.com]

The spamming thing, for me personally, isn't a bother.

The story itself, however, is an entirely different matter.

[jantra.livejournal.com]

I got sent here by someone who decided to not hide and simply tell me what they think.

I don't want to start a fight, though you, or if you didn't make the image, whoever did, seem to want to. When I first started posting Liquid Fire, it was my first venture into the Kingdom Hearts fandom. I did not know what communities were active, nor even which were the ones I was looking for.

So I posted a lot. Eventually, a kind mod at one of the groups talked to me for a couple of minutes, and I stopped posting on all of them. I instead stuck to the two main LJ comms I have found to be the most active - khyaoi and 0kingdom_hearts. That is actually the way 90% of people who read my fics find each new posting. I discovered this during the time that I had to friend-lock my journal because of all of the recent LJ drama with them banning. People posted on my two leavings in 0kingdom_hearts and khyaoi to get friended to me.

Other then the fact that I posted my -original- fanfiction in too many comms and now know better, and have posted a great deal of fanfic since and have stopped my unbeknowest 'spamming' (for which I felt terrible, once someone clued me in), why exactly are you so angry with me for posting? It is how I inform my readers that I've updated on my multiple running KH fics.

I don't understand this comm I found myself in by the anonymous posting left in my LJ, so please feel free to respond and tell me what is going on.

Thank you, Jantra

[jantra.livejournal.com]

Edit: I just went and read the community rules. Since I can assume that it wasn't the OP that made the image now, I did not actually mean it towards the OP and actually towards whoever seemed to make the image.

[(Anonymous)]

People are mad at you because your writing is out of character, irritating, badly structured, and you can't take any form of criticism about it.

[jantra.livejournal.com]

I've never had anyone give me honest critism about LF. Seriously, ever. I have one person who did act like kind of a butt and left a very mean post once, but no one who has sat down and told me... what they didn't like. So it makes it kind of hard.

I just don't entirely understand how people are thinking. I have a lot of people who like it. No one has posted and said WHY THEY DIDN'T and yet... they come to this comm and make very mean fun of me?

I stated originally that LF was a roleplay. It actually was never meant to be a fic. Synergy, which has been lumped in with LF despite the fact it's a different person, is like... the exact opposite of LF. It's very canon, very simple, and a lot of people have left comments about how they like the different style of writing.

I've never forced anyone to read my fics... so if people didn't like it, why didn't they just... not read it and skip over my posts? Instead of being... mean?

[rubyd.livejournal.com]

I suggest to not get too terribly invested into negative comments, but keep a professional outlook on good criticism - learn from the honesty, know where the writing is lacking, and maybe improve in the future if you agree that something needs work.

Please keep in mind that it's okay if not everyone likes your fic. No fic is going to get a 100% positive response. Especially considering you admit as well that the fic is based off of your own fanon and ideas about the character's personalities.

I'm hoping this doesn't come off as a mean response or some such, because I'd much rather you listen to advise than brush people off as flamers.

[(Anonymous)]

It's been a while due to plain and simple lackage of Internet, but. 'Sup, OP here.

I'm not interested in a fight either; that wasn't my intention in making the secret, nor was it to generate wank (okay, nvm, that was a lie). On the other hand, it was pretty much a last-ditch, lazy-peasy effort to get some criticism and feedback together on that whale of a fic of yours in one fell swoop, because I'd actually been meaning to give it a thorough, thoughtful read and give some constructive criticism worth a damn, but the chapters just kept coming and coming, and I have better uses and shorter badfic for my time.

I have to disagree with those who're cooing about you finding this secret being an awful tragedy of some sort; it's a wake-up call. Heed it. You say 'oh, I know it's OOC, it was an RP log we did for fun and decided to post'. That was your decision (and by this I mean the both of you--the screenshot in question included just you and not your partner merely to underline the point that whether it's both of you or one of you, I no longer have any interest in checking out your fic. I don't know you enough to care one way or another about you on a personal level, so the 'hate'? Is all in your mind and one phrase of chatspeak, if you want to try taking that seriously). If you're going to post badfic knowing it's bad, take the consequences like a lady: which means not acting all shocked and amazed that SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE disliked it/flamed it/made fun of it. It's the Internets, sorry.

In regards to posting anonymously, I have no problem with putting my name on wank; however, I have no interest in people going around name-calling and accusing me of dragging all my friends out to criticize someone's fic purely in the spirit of meanness. If I'm anon, those who agree with me are doing so objectively, and not because 'I'm me' or some bullshit like that.

I actually wasn't going to bother with Liquid Fire anymore, past avoiding it whenever it or its various reincarnations popped up, but then one or the other of you started posting more KH fic with a different partner--and then one or the other of you posted a Bakura/Ryou fanfic called 'Broken Kitten' in one (or more) of the YGO comms I had friended, and I figured it was time to do something or other, because (with a title like that setting off alarm bells of wangst and OOC; and believe me, I would know, I started out as a pathetic badficcing slash fangirl in the Bakura/Ryou corner) it was getting simply ridiculous and irritating at that point.

I have no interest in reading Synergy or Broken Kitten; I sat through 20-or-so chapters of Liquid Fire on almost pure trainwreck syndrome before I gave up, and if you're going to post a gazillion miles of badfic, no matter whether it was 'totally serious' or not, it's not going to help me want to read your other fic.

[(Anonymous)]

So let's talk about Liquid Fire for a moment, shall we?

I'll admit that your writing style(s) isn't bad at all--it's leaps and bounds above some of the crap I've found on FF.net, which isn't saying a great deal, but at the very least the writing didn't make me want to stab myself in the eye every paragraph (just every couple of paragraphs, really--see this spork (http://community.livejournal.com/khfanficrants/286392.html) for further details). In addition, I'm really very flexible on personal interpretations of canon, characterization-wise especially; I'll make a fair amount of allowances for OOC if the story is good enough. In Liquid Fire, the connections to canon were vague and colored by some rather violent and unrealistic bias towards the Organization, as far as I understood it (you can villainize Sora, sure, but to the extent that you did?), and the 'plot' consisted of characters being raped/traumatized, wangsting, being given healing!buttsex, rinse, repeat.

Of course you didn't force me to read the fic... but you also included pretty much every pairing under the sun you could fit into one story, and since that included a couple of my rarer OTPs (the touch of Axel/Zexion, for example) as well as others I liked (Axel/Demyx especially), I got on board. And I'll admit, too, that wangst to the point of OOC is sometimes a guilty pleasure for me to read--it's why I was in the Bakura/Ryou fandom for so long, and why I got as far in the fic as I did. But once you start slaughtering several of my OTPs and favorite characters, REPEATEDLY (how many times does Axel need to cry in one fic? in one chapter? in one SCENE?!)... I've been a newbie writer, and I know the impression that established writers can give. I've written characters OOC because I read a fic where they were and didn't know any better. So I'm not especially pleased with a fic that does this, and reaches a broad audience to boot (the spamming for its own sake aside)--if you can write them IC, why not do so if you're going public? All it does is bring down the level of writing quality in the fandom.

As for the rest... Saix is one of the more tenacious members of the Organization in regards to survival--he wanted a heart till his dying breath, so his suicide was incredibly odd. Demyx being raped (twice, unless I miss my guess) was both extreme and unrealistic. Xigbar and Saix are not necessarily rapists, even if half of fandom inexplicably portrays them that way (just because they're a little manlier than, say, Larxene doesn't automatically make them more psychotic than her). Larxene would make a HORRIBLE mother. Xaldin/Larxene was completely random and never explained to satisfaction. Marluxia/Vexen will never, ever be as sugary-sweet as I saw it in this fic. It's like decking Sephiroth out in a tutu and having him play Odette. Willingly. Yeah. Riku/Roxas was also completely out of the blue, and Riku ripping out half his heart to give it to Roxas a horribly tacky romantic plot device. Zexion... first of all, Larxene is smaller than him, and if we believe the CG lineups, Xaldin is shorter. He may be small, but he is by no means Axel and Demyx's pet plushie. Secondly, he was Ansem's youngest apprentice, which says something about his intelligence (possibly his vulnerability, but I highly doubt it was in the manner that you portrayed) as well as his ambition--he's not the pathetic emo angstball you made him out to be for the most part, and I rather doubt suicide would ever be on his agenda; he rather struck as one who prefers to stay FAR AWAY from death (a.k.a. Repliku). His little crush on Namine made absolutely no sense. Finally, you butchered Marluxia. Granted, that was before Re: CoM came out and the creators endowed him with a MANLY MAN voice to win back his masculinity from the fans, but Marluxia has never been and will never be: a) feminine; b) the Organization's pet slut (he has more class than that, my god); c) Vexen's fucking cuddlebunny/flower/moonrod/insert pet name here. And I won't even start on Axel. Axel WHO?

[(Anonymous)]

And that was an extremely brief rundown of the things I found wrong wrong WRONG with this fic, since you've run around bugging everyone with your copypasta for concrit. It's not OOC; it's pure unadulterated flaying of the characters until they've become unrecognizable save for their names. For all your excuses and plea of temporary RP insanity, I'm looking at the FIC, and the fic is unforgiveable. Please think it over next time before you post a badfic knowingly, and then run for the hills crying wolf because somebody hated it: yes, the fic, not you.

My work here is done.

[jurhael.livejournal.com]

#15

Heh. That story inspired a couple of MSPaints here: http://jurhael.deviantart.com/


I actually read the story a bit and liked it at first, but it just got so ridiculous that I just stopped reading it. It's not without redeeming quality(some of the ideas were good), but overall, it got to be a chore to read. Just my 2c.

[gay-vampire.livejournal.com]

Whoever made 3, 11 and 15 I love you all. ;~; Genfic really is hard to find. LIQUID FIRE DESERVES TO BURN.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol but it's liquid, how can it burn? MAYBE IT'S A SPECIAL KIND OF LIQUID THAT BURNS, BY SPECIAL AUTHORS WITH THEIR SPECIAL RULES OF WRITING???!?!/1/1/!

[i-got-spunk.livejournal.com]

(14 - I'd buy it in a heartbeat)

15- Well, yep! Not burn, necessarily - but completely torn down and thought-over. Also, maybe with a big wanring sign on top of it? WARNING: IF U CLICK THIS, OOC AND DISREGARD FOR EVERYTHING KH AHEAD

[enjolras.livejournal.com]

3. BOARING.

14. I'd buy it in a heartbeat. DDDDDD:

19. :/ I seriously doubt that would happen. Separate fake life from real life, please.

[katho.livejournal.com]

19: you probably won't. I am sure if they were your kids you'd feel differently.

(I am banking on this. Ron/Ginny is my OTP)

[crowitched.livejournal.com]

OH MY GOD THE LAST ONE
I KNOW HOW IT FEELS :(((

#4

[nightengale.livejournal.com]

Drakengaard is a hack-and-slash guilty-pleasure game with no redeeming plot qualities. It's good for stress relief but not much else.

[rushikayu13.livejournal.com]

10. I agree with you, actually. I can't stand the novel and there's only a few bits in the manga that I liked. :D