[ SECRET POST #1583 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1583 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 83 secrets from Secret Submission Post #226.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[mfirefly10.livejournal.com]

River & Rose ARE NOT Mary Sue's. 90% of the female characters who are called 'Mary Sues' are NOT Mary Sues. Can we just get rid of that term already?!

I'm not going to judge someone for liking or not liking either of these women but I will judge people who call either of them a 'Mary Sue' when you've got THE DOCTOR standing right there!

[sophiesenoo.livejournal.com]

Don't you see? The Doctor is a man, I mean, protagonist right?, so he is allowed to be perfect. But of course a woman who is a protagonist and almost perfect is a Canon Sue. See? It is pretty simple.

(fucking double standards...)

[lolofielding.livejournal.com]

Can someone please clarify for me what a Mary Sue is? I was told it means a perfectly perfect character with no balancing flaws or development. I dont see how The Doctor could be that, or Rose really. With the Doctor, you just need to see the scene from An Unearthly Child where he nearly bludgeons a wounded caveman to death to see how much he's changed. We're not meant to see the Doctor as perfect - hes an alien and we've seen how he can turn from kind to menacing on a six pence in almost every incarnation. Thats what makes him interesting IMO.

And while Im not a huge Rose fan; I can see how she changed from a working class girl with no ambition to "Rose Tyler - defender of the Earth", at least in her Series 1 arc.

I can sort of get how River fits it but then its hard to tell because we're seeing it backwards.

[sophiesenoo.livejournal.com]

I really can't explain it because I don't understand anymore what a Mary-Sue is. The term is so over used, that it has lost all real meaning.

I don't think the Doctor is perfect, but some people claim he is, just because he is the protagonist (since you know, all heroes/protagonist are pefect or something like that).

Men can get away with a lot shit. They can have a wider range of personality traits or skills that, if present in a woman, automatically makes them "Mary-Sues" in the eyes of some people.

They were having a really interesting discussion about the subject over here:

http://hooked-on-heroines.dreamwidth.org/9275.html

I admit, at this point I tend to stay away from most histories focused around men, or even het. Nowadays, I just want to read about women. Maybe I'm overcompensating, but frankly, I don't care.

[sophiesenoo.livejournal.com]

*stories (got my spanish and english mixed!)

[mfirefly10.livejournal.com]

*sighs* Despite knowing this, I still want to believe fandom is better than these shitty double-standards and that there might be some other reason why they love the Doctor but hate some of the female characters. It's sad and rage-inducing that it usually comes down to whether or not someone has a penis.

[sophiesenoo.livejournal.com]

I know is rage inducing. I have lost all fate in fandom a long time ago :( that is why I tend to stay in my femslash corner.

[mfirefly10.livejournal.com]

Femslash corners FTW!!!

If I didn't have a large number of het/poly ships as well, I'd never leave the femslashy side of fandom.

[0o0f.livejournal.com]

If it makes you feel any better, I think of some male characters as Sues as well. But yeah the double standards are annoying.