[ SECRET POST #1606 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1606 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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35. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #229.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 (trigger/warning for rape/rape in image/underage) - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

35.
http://i55.tinypic.com/2hzjxhe.jpg

[immortality.livejournal.com]

What is this from?

[generalstolas.livejournal.com]

the Borgias.

[tee-sama.livejournal.com]

I don't know what is this from or who you're talking about, but if the husband testified their marriage wasn't consumated it doesn't automatically mean it wasn't.

[(Anonymous)]

I figured he'd rape her because these shows are always kind of fucked up, but I knew the history and hoped against hope. Ugh, horrible.

I assume by now you've watched the finale though? If not HERE BE SPOILERS: They do get it annulled and he's forced to publicly admit to impotency and is humiliated. It's not much in comparison, but she did get hers.

[kingdmforahorse.livejournal.com]

Well yes, historically Giovanni Sforza did testify that the marriage with Lucrezia wasn't consummated, but only because he was forced to do so by her family so that they could politically marry her off to someone else / break ties with the Sforza family because it was no longer advantageous. Ironically she was very pregnant at the time Giovanni testified the non consummation (very much to his own detriment and anger), though the child was not his. Perhaps I am missing the point of the secret ... but from a historical standpoint, the retelling of this particular episode in Showtime's the Borgia's is fairly accurate.

They might show this in further episodes?

[wenchman.livejournal.com]

This poor girl get tossed around so much. ):

[(Anonymous)]

SPOILER:

Yeah, they do show that in the season finale. The Borgia family hits him pretty hard, I'd say he got what he deserved.

Also, in real life yeah... it's pretty safe to assume they had sex considering she was pregnant when they got divorced. I suppose she could have had an affair, but the show probably wasn't that far off (depending on how much of a dick her husband was in real life, I'm not sure about that)

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

yup, that's pretty much exactly what happened in-show. The secret was obviously made and submitted before the finale aired

[wenchman.livejournal.com]

Wait, was she raped in this series? I haven't caught up... if so, then yeah, I'm getting really irritated at some of the historical inaccuracies for the sake of drama. This was the reason I skipped two whole volumes of Cantarella as well, because all the Michelotto/Lucrezia crap was getting annoying and was not historically correct at all.

Slightly spoilery but yeah...

[chibi-kachi.livejournal.com]

Its not really a clear-cut case of rape the first time, when they consummate their marriage, as its more pure brutalization. The other times its hard not to call it that though.

Sforzia felt humiliated by the Borgias and took out his anger on Lucrezia when it came time for them to join as husband and wife. Lucrezia was willing to have sex (in fact was looking forward to having sex for the first time) with him but Sforzia pretty much took his pleasure while hurting Lucrezia.

He comments, in surprise afterwards, that she was a virgin (apparently he thought she wouldn't be and so it implies it was part of the reason he was pissy with the Borgias).

Re: Slightly spoilery but yeah...

[(Anonymous)]

"Brutalizing" sex is different from rape to you?

Re: Slightly spoilery but yeah...

[chibi-kachi.livejournal.com]

No; not at all and I never said it wasn't rape. I said it wasn't a clear-cut case of rape (which I see as non-consensual sex act or during a sex act when 'no' is used and not heeded) but, for the lack of a better term, gray-area rape because I'm taking in the context of the story and the historical era.

That context being 1) Lucrezia was willing to have sex with her husband (up until he proven he was a beast and that it wasn't going to get any better - the point where you could tell she just wanted it to stop because it hurt and wasn't going to ease. That this wasn't what had been described to her by her confidants).

2) The fact that this time frame they are using is that men had the power and women did not. That marriage was a duty for most and that married women were really only responsible for having children, rearing them, and running the house. They, very simply put, were not expected to enjoy carnal relations because they were suppose to be untainted and without needs.

The fact is I tried to clarify it as something beyond rape by calling it pure brutalization because Lucrezia was complete in her trust of her husband to show her how sex was something more sacred that it becomes lovemaking. She wanted to give herself to him as was her duty as wife and yet he had the gall to treat her so poorly. He shattered both her illusions and innocence in that scene.

Now if I failed to portray that with my words, if I somehow made it hard to comprehend my meaning, then I am sorry but the only thing I ever enjoyed during English class was the reading assignments.

Re: Slightly spoilery but yeah...

[(Anonymous)]

Brutal sex isn't necessarily non-consensual.

Re: Slightly spoilery but yeah...

[wenchman.livejournal.com]

In the series or historically? I have just started studying the Borgias, I love learning about them. <3

Re: Slightly spoilery but yeah...

[chibi-kachi.livejournal.com]

I was referring to the series.

Historically it could be anyone's guess. At least that's how it reads to me from the bit of research I've done on the Borgias. Not a lot is said about their marriage, from what I've found, except they were married for a year and that she was heavily pregnant when the marriage was annulled with Sforzia saying they hadn't consummated their marriage.

[generalstolas.livejournal.com]

Someone needs to reread their history books and then take a chill pill.

Rape As Drama- It's In-Fucking-Escapable

[(Anonymous)]

Haha, let me introduce you to The Other Boleyn Girl movie, or more specifically THE MOST UNNECESSARILY TRIGGERING SCENE OF ALL TIME in which Elizabeth I is implied to be the product of rape.

/not still bitter or anything

Re: Rape As Drama- It's In-Fucking-Escapable

[replicantangel.livejournal.com]

Not to mention that the whole thing about her propositioning her brother for sex was a load of BS that they made up to execute the pair of them. I'm not saying Anne was an innocent little flower, but the way that movie (and apparently, novel) perpetuated known lies about someone who got screwed over in the worst possible way makes me rage a bit.

Overall, I don't understand why they feel the need to add drama to these time periods. There was enough murder, sex and mayhem in the truth of things, even for Showtime.

Re: Rape As Drama- It's In-Fucking-Escapable

[ecoerrante.livejournal.com]

Ugh, agreeing with the bit about The Other Boleyn Girl! It was pretty messed up with some of the lies they put in there [for example, the one where she steals her sister's son? Yeeeah, from what I know that didn't happen - hell, from what I know it wasn't until much later, if at all, that one was tacked on.]

Other than that...maybe because it's not 'over the top' enough? Though, in this case I will say it's something could very well have happened in the time period, and might very well not be commented on if it had. The did have laws about rape but...well...they were...tricky at best.

[(Anonymous)]

Showtime shows aren't exactly known for historical accuracy. [Actually, iirc, they usually criticized for *not* being accurate enough >>;;]

Though, in fairness, he was under a *lot* of pressure to testify that, and not just from the Brogias, but also from his own family so he was risking a *lot* if he didn't testify that, regardless of the truth.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Because rape makes something dark, gritty, and serious.

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

(a) Just totally got a book on her out of the library today. Love it. And (b) ...well, I see your point, but you're assuming that testimony was legit and not a lie because he was bribed or threatened or manipulating the situation for his own ends somehow. And let's face it, there wasn't a whole lot of honesty going around with these people. I guess it was for drama, but it felt honest to me; many, many, many girls her age, if not precisely her, went through that at that time, I don't doubt.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

BECAUSE RAPE MAKES FEMALE CHARACTERS INTERESTING. Didn't you get the fucking memo?

[kirikomi.livejournal.com]

I believe that they consumated, but later in the marriage: apparently Lucrezia was too much childlike, and Giovanni waited a little before having sex with her (they married in june, and in september Alexander VI wrote to Sforza telling him to consumate the marriage).
I was a little perplexed about the whole rape thing, and I suppose they put it for drama.