[ SECRET POST #1630 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1630 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 08 pages, 187 secrets from Secret Submission Post #233.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 - take it to comments/wank elsewhere ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

11. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3417/japaneseart.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure if I understand this secret. Does OP mean Japanese artists within a Western fandom or do they mean from the Japanese fandom? If it's the latter then I think your secret is stupid. One look at Pixiv makes it obvious that there are tons of Japanese artists who are neglected. And it makes sense that only the really good stuff would be brought over to the Western fandom.

Basically it just sounds like you're making excuses for yourself...

[zoey-says.livejournal.com]

My understanding was that when it comes to amateur fanartists in fandom that there is a large group of people who flock to Japanese artists (from mediocre to amazing) and ignore the non-Japanese ones. Some have the mentality that because it's Japanese = it's better quality. The secret poster I assume is a decent (who knows?) non-Japanese artist who is tired of people not even looking at their work because they're not Japanese. That's what I gathered.

[(Anonymous)]

Japanese fanartists are objectively better, though. There's a culture of perfection and discipline around the craft that Western artists don't experience, and Western art suffers as a result.

[(Anonymous)]

Ummmmmm no. There are bad and good artists on both sides, the biggest "cultural" difference is that Asian artists are taught to copy, while Western artists are encouraged to be more original, but even that still varies from artist to artist.

[hoshika.livejournal.com]

lol.

No. Plz walk into a art student show sometime.

[(Anonymous)]

But over here freedom and self-expression is highly encouraged, unlike in East Asia, so you can't say both sides don't have their ups and downs.

[childings.livejournal.com]

What.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

6/10

Actually made me do a double take. Admirable.

[time-ambassador.livejournal.com]

lolwut.

Seriously though, I always figured that Japanese fanartists were "better" because only the good ones put their art online, and the bad ones either feel too ashamed to post or just stop trying because they're not "good enough."

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

uhh no. I think there's just a greater volume of artists into comic art in Japan, seeing as how manga's so big there. Greater volume = there's more good stuff. And shitty Japanese artists tend to be too embarrassed to post their stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

I have found far more quality art on Pixiv in my fandom as opposed to DA. On Pixiv, there are more quality artists as opposed to DA which only has the same few over and over.

So, yes, I will fangirl the Japanese artists and say they're better. There are more of them. Sorry it turned out like that. If there were more western fans who were good, I'd be fangirling them. But there aren't.

[childings.livejournal.com]

You suck at searching for fanart on DA and you are obviously ignoring 80% of everything on pixiv then

[(Anonymous)]

It'd be easier to just make a Pixiv account. I think most people browse for Japanese fanart on there now anyway.

[myrasis.livejournal.com]

I would say that there's an equal amount of shitty artists from both sides. Just like with everything.

[gabzillaz.livejournal.com]

I agree.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that there is a lot of Asian fetishism that goes on in certain fandoms and it can be disturbing to say the least.

Appreciate an artist for their skill, not their race.

[hoshika.livejournal.com]

When it comes to anime art, I believe the Japanese (due to culture and communication) have more of a slight advantage over Western anime artists. I think there is a tendency in Western art to pick and choose styles from anime and create it from there. However, there are exceptions to these generalizations. And I don't find it to be a huge difference.

Honestly though, I value both Japanese and Western art. It's insulting to think that there are more and "better" anime artists in Japan. DA is not anime centered like pixiv is. So it's not a good comparison, at all. Hell, DA is a fucking cesspit if you ask anyone who takes art seriously. And I've seen some pretty crappy art on pixiv, so ymmv there as well.

Also, you have to keep in mind fandom has a very skewed and limited perspective when it comes to "good" art. But as a fellow artist to you OP, you shouldn't be drawing for popularity in fandom. You should be doing it for your own enjoyment. You'll find it more rewarding, imo.

[shichiloaf.livejournal.com]

+1 to this awesome comment.

[aquaricom.livejournal.com]

honestly I dig Pixiv more just because there is so much more content. Japanese fanartists jump on to things with a creative fury or something. You can watch or read the lastest chapter of a show, get into it, and then go check Pixiv afterwards.....I love it.

[childings.livejournal.com]

I don't know what you're talking about, but popular artists get attention even for their doodles no matter what their nationality is.

[lemon-m.livejournal.com]

IDK, for me it's a question of ease. If I search for fanart (for a japanese show/manga) on the popular section of DA I get 70% percent decent stuff, 20% good stuff and 10% awesome stuff. Whereas in Pixiv I find one good thing, fave it and tag it properly and BAM, I just go back to the tag in the favorites and get ALL THE AWESOME STUFF for that tag. If not the style, there are a lot more different concepts and ideas than what I see everywhere. There are awesome western artists, sure, but still.

...you're trying to stab me through the screen right now, aren't you?

[(Anonymous)]

No, I don't think they would hang off your every crappy scribble if you're not that skilled. Many of the lauded 'scribbles' I see are done by very skilled artists who for one reason or another didn't make it into a finished piece. But if for example the movement, mood, and composition are good and conveyed well, and if the artist is already popular, people will probably love it even if it's obscenely sketchy.

I can't say whether I believe that J-fen are inherently better at drawing. I will say, however, that I notice fewer unskilled artists on Pixiv taglists than I do on dA searches. I don't think that J-fen is made of better artists, but rather that fewer unskilled artists are visible in J-fen.

[blackjackrocket.livejournal.com]

I do wish someone would make multi-language Pixiv sites like they did with Tegaki, gotta say. It's way easier to use than dA or Tegaki.

[inkedfeathers.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure if it's just the fandoms I'm in, but the Japanese fanartists tend to be more creative with poses and perspectives and angles used in their art; the Western fanartists tend to use much of the same.

Anytime they do try to do something out of the ordinary, there's always this awkwardness that is less prevalent in Japanese fanart. I think it might be due to a lack of familiarity with the art style or emulation of someone else's art style, rather than trying to build their own. I've noticed, however, that some Western fanartists who are not overly concerned with replicating the original anime/manga's art style can draw just as well or even better than a lot of Japanese fanartists.

... it might have something to do with the artists' expertise too and willingness to try something a little more complex than what they usually do.

And hey, I'll certainly admit that a lot of Japanese oekaki "rakugaki" are sketchy as anything and even your average Western fanart will probably be better.