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fandomsecrets2011-07-30 03:04 pm
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(Anonymous) 2011-07-30 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)Which is basically why I dislike Ron/Hermione. I thought it was heavy-handed in the laziest way possible. I think the, "they fight all the time, they must secretly like each other!" trope can be done well, but I think JKR left out the chemistry, kept the fighting, and relied on our understanding of tropes to convey the message, "Yeah, R/Hr is gonna happen. HOLD ONTO YOUR SOCKS!"
It bothers me that people seem unable to accept the fact that *gasp* sometimes you can fight and bicker with someone and NOT secretly like them! Sometimes you and that other person just don't see eye to eye on a lot of stuff. You can still be friends and bicker with someone, and not end up having their babies. It's like guys and girls can't be friends and not agree on stuff, unless they secretly want to do it.
ANYWAYS, Harry/Ron/Hermione is my OT3 for life, and my big HP ship. I think they work best when they're together, and any other permutation I just can't see really working out (yes, despite the Epilogue). I just think they balance each other out too damn well.
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(Anonymous) 2011-07-30 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)THIS. THIS. FOREVER AND EVER, THIS.
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(Anonymous) 2011-07-31 12:56 am (UTC)(link)Also, I don't think the trope was the only thing that held up Ron and Hermione's relationship with each other. They did NOT fight all the time, and that was not the reason they were attracted to each other. The reason that they were is because they really admired and appreciated the other's qualities while they were growing up and having adventures with Harry. Eventually they became less immature and started acting like grown-ups in their affection for each other.
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(Anonymous) 2011-07-31 01:16 am (UTC)(link)You can't like two-thirds of your OT3, not even just a smidgeon?
*raises hand* Harry/Ron/Hermione is my OT3, but I hate Ron/Hermione, because to me they don't work at all on their own. These three are perfect as a unit together, but Ron/Hermione alone feels off balance, too argumentative and nasty towards each other. I haven't articulated that at all, but yeah, I can totally see Harry/Ron/Hermione but Ron/Hermione alone is just too angry and dysfunctional to work.
The reason that they were is because they really admired and appreciated the other's qualities while they were growing up
Really? I don't remember this at all. Occasionally Ron would blurt out that Hermione was brilliant, but it was buried amongst constant bickering and criticism. I honestly can't ever remember her admiring him or appreciating any of his qualities. It's been a while since I've read the books, but that was always my biggest problem with them - I'm all for bickering couples when there's an undercurrent of respect and admiration between them, but I never once saw that with these two. All I ever saw with them was sniping broken up occasionally by "she's brilliant! But don't tell her I said that!"
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(Anonymous) 2011-07-31 02:08 am (UTC)(link)I haven't articulated that at all, but yeah, I can totally see Harry/Ron/Hermione but Ron/Hermione alone is just too angry and dysfunctional to work.
And especially this! Basically, I think each all has a way of balancing out the other two, so that any two by themselves would never really work out.
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(Anonymous) 2011-07-31 07:17 am (UTC)(link)Still disagree on Ron and Hermione being too argumentative, angry and dysfunctional to each other even work, though. Ron can start off immature at times (can't blame the dude for feeling sidelined throughout his life) but he rarely stayed that way. He learned as he went in the series and he eventually tried to set things right. He has, on more than one occasion, been shown as caring and tender to Hermione, as well as being more vocal in his concern for others, especially in the later books what with brushing snowflakes off shoulders and holding each other through grief. For pete's sake, the reason Hermione kissed him at the final battle was because he was actually the only one to remember to free the house elves from the kitchens so they wouldn't die like Dobby did.
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(Anonymous) 2011-07-31 01:44 am (UTC)(link)So you say, but I just didn't see that. Instead all I saw was, "They fight, so that means they love each other! And look, they do!" And they generally disagreed on...a lot of stuff, really, unless Harry was involved.
And yes, I know this is all totally subjective, but I just didn't see any chemistry. I mean, if you count fighting a lot as chemistry, then yes, it's there. But outside of fighting, they didn't really have much. Again, IMO, subjective, blah blah.
And I don't really ship ANY of the Trio in twos. The dynamics that any of the two of them have together is totally different from the dynamic the three of them have. IMO, they just work best together when it's the three of them. Hence why they are my die-hard OT3 for life.
But, eh, this is all coming from someone who ships literally none of the canon ships from the books. Except Dumbledore/Grindewald.
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(Anonymous) 2011-07-31 07:51 am (UTC)(link)I get that the Trio as a whole is better than the sum of its parts, but that's when they're at their best. At their worst, it's clear when two of the three clash that things fall apart for all of them. They get irritable, resentful, and patronizing to each other. I don't think Harry's involvement does makes him the mediator between Ron and Hermione. Sometimes it's him that loses his cool or does something stupid while both Ron and Hermione together help him focus on the matters at hand. When they went off to get the basilisk fangs in the Chamber of Secrets, they did it for him because he's at the center of a lot of things, but it certainly proves they can get along and make decisions together as a unit outside of Harry's guidance.
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(Anonymous) 2011-07-31 01:09 am (UTC)(link)I think people discount the amount of stress that they would be under. I mean, if I knew that my best friend was probably going to be murdered, that my family was hated for being poor, that my school would probably not exist for long and that people in my classes had DIED, I would probably bicker with anyone who stood 500 metres in my way. The fact that they don't hate each other after all that they have been through is a testament to how much they truly like or love each other, which can being either romantic or platonic.
This argument is exactly the same as the opposing argument which is that regardless of whether they can bicker and be platonic or bicker and be romantic, the fact that they still stick together and try to be strong for Harry is more a testament of their friendship and deep caring for each other then anything. I don't understand Harry/Hermione because I personally have a relationship with a boy whom I love love love but he's so platonic that it's almost like he's my brother. I prefer the idea that Harry looked outside his two friends for love and found someone that wasn't easy to strike a relationship with. My brothers would KILL me if I started a relationship with one of their friends and they must have truly adored each other if they still went ahead with it.
At least what shows me that ginny/harry works is that it's so intensely personal. They don't listen to Ron, who would rather his little sister not get with his best friend. They don't listen to adults who tell them that it's too dangerous. They just be together and that more then enough proof of their feelings then anything...
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(Anonymous) 2011-07-31 01:54 am (UTC)(link)And I never said that Hermione and Ron don't care about each other, especially as friends. The whole trio obviously care about each other deeply. What I'm saying is that I don't buy all of the "chemistry" that they have, because, to me, it's less chemistry and more the complete abuse of the "they fight which means love!" trope.
And I'm going to ignore all of this: I don't understand Harry/Hermione because I personally have a relationship with a boy whom I love love love but he's so platonic that it's almost like he's my brother. I prefer the idea that Harry looked outside his two friends for love and found someone that wasn't easy to strike a relationship with. My brothers would KILL me if I started a relationship with one of their friends and they must have truly adored each other if they still went ahead with it. because it's ridiculously subjective and there's not really anything I can say to argue with it. I can bring up personal anecdotes too, but that doesn't really add anything to the discussion.
And also, from what I remember, Ron's reaction to Harry and Ginny getting together was pretty much "*Shrug.*" It's not like they're OMG MAKING A STAND AGAINST THOSE PEOPLE THAT WOULD HATE TO SEE THEM TOGETHER! From what I remember, the reaction everyone has to Harry/Ginny pretty much amounts to, "Meh."
Re: AYRT
(Anonymous) 2011-07-31 02:18 am (UTC)(link)From what I remember, the reaction everyone has to Harry/Ginny pretty much amounts to, "Meh."
Lol! Which was pretty much my reaction to them as well.
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(Anonymous) 2011-07-31 02:56 am (UTC)(link)Ginny was his friend too. So he looked outside of his two best friends... to one of his other friends.
They don't listen to adults who tell them that it's too dangerous.
When on earth did that happen?
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