[ SECRET POST #1670 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1670 ⌋


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Notes:

Going to be short posts this week, LJ being down half the week means less secrets total, sorry about that.

Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 204 secrets from Secret Submission Post #239.
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Im convinced most people who see Harry and Hermione as compatible romantically have just been beaten across the head with: "hero gets the girl who shares the most page/screen time" trope and refuse to see otherwise. One of the best things I feel JKR did with their friendship was make it so convincingly platonic and nothing close to romantic, but it seems some people refuse to accept guys and girls as simply best friends. It's sad. :/

[immortality.livejournal.com]

Or maybe just some of us don't understand how Ron and Hermione could spend pretty much their entire third year of Hogwarts hating each other's guts, then constantly fighting the rest of the time, and then magically be in love.

[(Anonymous)]

different anonymous.

i wouldn't say they "magically" fell in love. i thought it was just both of them set in their ways since they were kids (which was basically both of them arguing) but because of the fact that they were, you know, growing up they were realizing how they were attracted to each other.

but they both extremely stubborn until that moment in book 7 (plus it didn't help that ron thought hermione and harry were together as well).

[(Anonymous)]

The "supposedly-hate each other only to realize they've fallen in love" is one of the oldest cliches ever found in fiction (see: just about every romantic comedy ever written or filmed), not to mention quite a few real-life romances. It's where the jokes about little kids pulling their crush's hair come from. People don't have to like the pairing, but to claim it really is a surprise or doesn't make any sense really is being delusional or willfully blind.


Most importantly, I just don't care about this issue anymore. Why won't everyone just ship and let ship?

[childings.livejournal.com]

Lots of people who love each other constantly quarrel with each other, and a lot of the fights were based on jealousy over who the other was dating at that time

[(Anonymous)]

If you honestly think there was a day in this series where Ron and Hermione actually, truly hated each other, then no wonder you don't understand them. It's now clear that its not something you ever will get or anyone will be able to convince you otherwise, which is sad because they've got a brilliant dynamic. However, you not getting them and how they tick does not make them not make sense; it also doesnt make Harry and Hermione make more sense.

That being said, even when the two weren't getting along, Hermione put more passion into her dealings with Ron than she ever had with even one conversation with Harry. Some people in life crave passion, others crave the calm.. Hermione's choice may not be the same as yours, but she's not you.

[(Anonymous)]

So much THIS. Especially about the idea of Ron and Hermione hating each other - how do people even come to that conclusion? Since when does 'friends who are opinionated and bicker' translate to hatred?

There are a lot of interesting arguments for Harry/Hermione, but the one that makes me roll my eyes every time is the 'Ron is a jerk who argues with Hermione and therefore doesn't deserve her' one. Which usually ends up as 'Ron is abusive'. Everything that people hold up as a reason why Ron is supposedly abusive is usually something Harry and Hermione have also done at one point or another, but it's only bad when Ron does it, for some reason. Skeevey.

+1000000

[(Anonymous)]

This is an excellent comment!

[(Anonymous)]

Great comment.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, that's kind of an asinine comment there.

Same thing can be said to anyone who doesn't see H/Hr: just because YOU don't get H/Hr, doesn't mean that they don't make sense. It goes both ways.

If you don't see it, then you don't see it. If it doesn't make sense to you, then it doesn't make sense to you. End of story. What's it to you? And if someone is still confused as to why H/Hr didn't end up together, then so what? Lets move on.

[ryttu3k.livejournal.com]

Hormones?

[(Anonymous)]

Hating each other guts is what Draco and Harry did. Ron and Hermione tiffed which EVERYONE does at some point. I have a best friend that I sometimes feel like beating to death but I love him completely and deeply. Just because they outwardly show something, doesn't mean that they also don't feel another emotion.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, to be fair they didn't hate each other the entire time. I think they were immature as teens and very sensitive to one another since they both developing an attraction and they didn't know how to handle it. Pretty typical stuff with kids.

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

I...wow.

I'm not a big R/Hr fan - I don't care much, but I saw early on in the books which way it was going, shrugged and said, "Okay, Harry doesn't get Hermione in the end, interesting, she's going to end up Ron. Hm," and that was that to me.

They were blatantly obvious in part BECAUSE of the particular way they fought, and the things they could fight over...

Your reading of their relationship is REALLY shallow.

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

They never hated each other. Hate is not the word to use. I'm a H/Hr shipper, but to me Ron and Hermione acted like siblings. That is why I could never ship them. I get that bickering love is a trope, but it is not a trope that I'm a fan of. Ron and Hermione interact the same way my sister and I do, so that turned me off the ship. It just screamed sibling to me. Whereas, the whole two originally platonic friends slowly develop feelings for each other is pretty much my favorite trope ever.

[(Anonymous)]

OR they absolutely hate the, "Oh, they fight and bicker so much, therefore they must have some kind of romantic chemistry despite having absolutely nothing to talk about and nothing in common except one thing (Harry)!"

Which is basically why I dislike Ron/Hermione. I thought it was heavy-handed in the laziest way possible. I think the, "they fight all the time, they must secretly like each other!" trope can be done well, but I think JKR left out the chemistry, kept the fighting, and relied on our understanding of tropes to convey the message, "Yeah, R/Hr is gonna happen. HOLD ONTO YOUR SOCKS!"

It bothers me that people seem unable to accept the fact that *gasp* sometimes you can fight and bicker with someone and NOT secretly like them! Sometimes you and that other person just don't see eye to eye on a lot of stuff. You can still be friends and bicker with someone, and not end up having their babies. It's like guys and girls can't be friends and not agree on stuff, unless they secretly want to do it.

ANYWAYS, Harry/Ron/Hermione is my OT3 for life, and my big HP ship. I think they work best when they're together, and any other permutation I just can't see really working out (yes, despite the Epilogue). I just think they balance each other out too damn well.

[(Anonymous)]

OR they absolutely hate the, "Oh, they fight and bicker so much, therefore they must have some kind of romantic chemistry despite having absolutely nothing to talk about and nothing in common except one thing (Harry)!"

THIS. THIS. FOREVER AND EVER, THIS.

[(Anonymous)]

Wha? You hate Ron/Hermione but still ship Harry/Ron/Hermione? You can't like two-thirds of your OT3, not even just a smidgeon?

Also, I don't think the trope was the only thing that held up Ron and Hermione's relationship with each other. They did NOT fight all the time, and that was not the reason they were attracted to each other. The reason that they were is because they really admired and appreciated the other's qualities while they were growing up and having adventures with Harry. Eventually they became less immature and started acting like grown-ups in their affection for each other.

[(Anonymous)]

NA

You can't like two-thirds of your OT3, not even just a smidgeon?

*raises hand* Harry/Ron/Hermione is my OT3, but I hate Ron/Hermione, because to me they don't work at all on their own. These three are perfect as a unit together, but Ron/Hermione alone feels off balance, too argumentative and nasty towards each other. I haven't articulated that at all, but yeah, I can totally see Harry/Ron/Hermione but Ron/Hermione alone is just too angry and dysfunctional to work.

The reason that they were is because they really admired and appreciated the other's qualities while they were growing up

Really? I don't remember this at all. Occasionally Ron would blurt out that Hermione was brilliant, but it was buried amongst constant bickering and criticism. I honestly can't ever remember her admiring him or appreciating any of his qualities. It's been a while since I've read the books, but that was always my biggest problem with them - I'm all for bickering couples when there's an undercurrent of respect and admiration between them, but I never once saw that with these two. All I ever saw with them was sniping broken up occasionally by "she's brilliant! But don't tell her I said that!"

[(Anonymous)]

The reason that they were is because they really admired and appreciated the other's qualities while they were growing up and having adventures with Harry.

So you say, but I just didn't see that. Instead all I saw was, "They fight, so that means they love each other! And look, they do!" And they generally disagreed on...a lot of stuff, really, unless Harry was involved.

And yes, I know this is all totally subjective, but I just didn't see any chemistry. I mean, if you count fighting a lot as chemistry, then yes, it's there. But outside of fighting, they didn't really have much. Again, IMO, subjective, blah blah.

And I don't really ship ANY of the Trio in twos. The dynamics that any of the two of them have together is totally different from the dynamic the three of them have. IMO, they just work best together when it's the three of them. Hence why they are my die-hard OT3 for life.

But, eh, this is all coming from someone who ships literally none of the canon ships from the books. Except Dumbledore/Grindewald.

[(Anonymous)]

Since when do they have nothing to talk about? If anything, the fact that they can stand each other's silences is more of a sign of friendship then continuous talking. The moment I could sit comfortably with my best friend and NOT feel the need to fill the silence was when I knew that she was someone I really and truly adore.

I think people discount the amount of stress that they would be under. I mean, if I knew that my best friend was probably going to be murdered, that my family was hated for being poor, that my school would probably not exist for long and that people in my classes had DIED, I would probably bicker with anyone who stood 500 metres in my way. The fact that they don't hate each other after all that they have been through is a testament to how much they truly like or love each other, which can being either romantic or platonic.

This argument is exactly the same as the opposing argument which is that regardless of whether they can bicker and be platonic or bicker and be romantic, the fact that they still stick together and try to be strong for Harry is more a testament of their friendship and deep caring for each other then anything. I don't understand Harry/Hermione because I personally have a relationship with a boy whom I love love love but he's so platonic that it's almost like he's my brother. I prefer the idea that Harry looked outside his two friends for love and found someone that wasn't easy to strike a relationship with. My brothers would KILL me if I started a relationship with one of their friends and they must have truly adored each other if they still went ahead with it.

At least what shows me that ginny/harry works is that it's so intensely personal. They don't listen to Ron, who would rather his little sister not get with his best friend. They don't listen to adults who tell them that it's too dangerous. They just be together and that more then enough proof of their feelings then anything...

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Um, but they don't "stand each other's silences." When does this happen? And this is not including times where the whole group is studying, or copying each other's notes, and thus not talking. Pretty much 80% of the time Hermione and Ron interact, they're either bickering, or outright fighting. And the rest of the time they're working together for Harry's sake.

And I never said that Hermione and Ron don't care about each other, especially as friends. The whole trio obviously care about each other deeply. What I'm saying is that I don't buy all of the "chemistry" that they have, because, to me, it's less chemistry and more the complete abuse of the "they fight which means love!" trope.

And I'm going to ignore all of this: I don't understand Harry/Hermione because I personally have a relationship with a boy whom I love love love but he's so platonic that it's almost like he's my brother. I prefer the idea that Harry looked outside his two friends for love and found someone that wasn't easy to strike a relationship with. My brothers would KILL me if I started a relationship with one of their friends and they must have truly adored each other if they still went ahead with it. because it's ridiculously subjective and there's not really anything I can say to argue with it. I can bring up personal anecdotes too, but that doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

And also, from what I remember, Ron's reaction to Harry and Ginny getting together was pretty much "*Shrug.*" It's not like they're OMG MAKING A STAND AGAINST THOSE PEOPLE THAT WOULD HATE TO SEE THEM TOGETHER! From what I remember, the reaction everyone has to Harry/Ginny pretty much amounts to, "Meh."

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

I agree with this so much. Although I do ship H/Hr, I also ship Trio equally. They are all friends, I just don't like the bickering=love thing. Ron and Hermione remind me of siblings.

[miakun.livejournal.com]

IDK, I know friends who love H/Hr who really just have a thing for best friends who fall for each other so it's the dynamic, but I know me personally, I was sort of excited and relieved that there was a lead dude, lead chick that didn't end up together but remained platonic.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really ship anything in HP, but I can see other reasons for shipping Harry/Hermione than just "main boy gets main girl" clichés. I think they were compatible in many ways (from similar backgrounds and with a steadier, more understanding relationship than Hermione and Ron's (initially) fiery one), and not everyone ships only super passionate ships. Majority of my OTPs consist of people who have slowly and inevitably grown into each other and may not be highly emotional or passionate but nevertheless have a deep love for each other, at times not stated outright but nevertheless obvious. What I'm trying to say is that while I can read Harry/Hermione as a warm, platonic friendship, I can also read it as an understated, mature romance. Different strokes for different folks?