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I asked this of someone else, but define plagiarism as you mean it. Lifting a few element from someone else, lifting major elements from another story, copying a story, what?

I have different definitions of plagiarism if we're talking about writing vs art, so for this one, I'll give my writing definition.

As a writer myself, I understand that unique story ideas are hard to come by, coincidences happen, and inspiration comes from everywhere. So for me, if you intentionally use a large amount or more of another person's work without crediting them somehow, I consider it plagiarism. (There's also unintentional plagiarism, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms.)

What Disney did was base their movie off someone else's work, and, once they found out they couldn't obtain the rights to it, instead of facing up and admitting that, look, this was inspired/based off someone else's work, pretended their source, Kimba, did not exist and refused to acknowledge it. If Disney had just straight up admitted their inspiration, I would have no issues about it. That for me is plagiarism, but I understand that my definition and others will differ.

If you don't mind me asking, what would be yours?

I use more of the copyright definition. Has this work been significantly changed (and to a lesser extent is it clear what the source material is)?

Does Lion King have elements in common with Kimba? YUP! Are those elements unique to Kimba? Eh, not so much. Lion on the rock - easy to get there from Bambi, prince of the forest on the rock; spirit of deceased in sky, seen that a million times; love interest/best friend - yawn. (The bug/vegetarian thing would be the most damning in my book as it is relatively unique.)

The problem is that 90% of the similarities seem to be found either in Hamlet or Bambi or are just generic.

The other thing is that you can rip something off/draw heavy inspiration from it without it being plagiarism. Antz and a Shark Tale came out mighty close to A Bug's Life and Finding Nemo (debatably Sinbad and Atlantis too), but while clearly not pure coincidence, they're different enough in execution that I wouldn't call it plagiarism.

There's the example I spoke of here about the similarity of Care Bears and My Little Pony, and as far as I know there's not any sort of controversy there: http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/732637.html?thread=464442333#t464442333 The fact is that those works have a ton in common, but I wouldn't say it's plagiarism, cut from the same cloth, yes, plagiarism, no.

Basically, my stance is that you can start with a kernel of an idea from somewhere else, but that doesn't mean the final product will be enough like it to be plagiarized. The way I see it, the similarities would be someone using the same phrasing a couple of times and maybe one or two similar plot points in a novel-length book. There are similarities, but the movie is different enough that it's a different beast.

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