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⌈ Secret Post #1678 ⌋


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Comments

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

You know unrequited love used to be a noble and self-sacrificing sort of literary device (and that is what we are discussing, literary characters), but I suppose it has no place in a world that prefers a focus on more direct and assertive behavior.

[(Anonymous)]

lol yeah, his love was so pure and self sacrificing that he was completely willing to remorselessly sell out her husband and infant son to a genocidal maniac in exchange for her life. Man, I hope I can find someone that fucking noble.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

He changed his mind.

And I believe Snape is just one of the many examples in this series how "noble and self-sacrificing" acts usually have pettier and selfish intentions.

[snowtroublehere.livejournal.com]

He changed his mind.

lol

[dontgiveahoot.livejournal.com]

He changed his mind.

And that, of course, means that all the harm done by his choice was instantly erased. Sorry, but even in the Wizarding World, intent isn't magical.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

No. It doesn't fucking matter.

Only the consequences do.

[sumpta.livejournal.com]

And I believe Snape is just one of the many examples in this series how "noble and self-sacrificing" acts usually have pettier and selfish intentions.

I'm hardly blind to Snape's many, many faults, but YES. Many of the adults in HP are completely stuck in the past. HELLO SIRIUS, THINKING OF HARRY AS HIS BUDDY JAMES.

A lot of them went through a lot of trauma in the first war. It shaped their lives completely. Snape is just one, very sad and very troubled example of it.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

Thank you for getting it.

Have a cookie.

[hoopyfroodyford.livejournal.com]

Not only that, but if his love for her was so pure he might have treated her son with some kind of respect, or at least not treat him like shit. He was partly responsible for this kid being an orphan, and he only shat on the wound by constantly bullying Harry and insulting his dead father. And that's supposedly some selfless, pure, noble love. Oi.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

Harry acted like an ass to him upon their first meeting though. If Harry can get over it, why can't you?

[hoopyfroodyford.livejournal.com]

It really annoys me when people say this, because Harry had no intention of hating Snape or crossing him, until Snape started abusing his power and attempting to humiliate Harry in his first potions class. Snape did not exactly hold back in showing how much he hated Harry. Harry responded in kind because he was not a doormat and he would not take it lying down, and I think it's entirely justified.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

Yes, clearly Harry's the better man here. He was able to see the good Snape had done, inspire of the bad, not excusing it. So I repeat if Harry can get over it, why can't you?

[(Anonymous)]

Wow if you really think what Snape felt for Lily was love and not obsessive wish fulfillment ... just wow.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

I don't think it matters.

[(Anonymous)]

Man you are the one getting all weepy about the fact that Snape is seen as a weirdo for his "pure love." I'm pointing out that it was NOT love. You can't keep just changing the topic of the debate when you start realizing you're wrong goddamn

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

I don't disagree with a single thing in this comment. Bravo, sir.

I am pretty much aware that it was not love. Or real love. But that doesn't matter. Because the obsession was what was capable of letting Snape change sides. It's why Harry said he was "the bravest man he ever knew." My god, can't you people give him that? Isn't that what his entire story arc was about? You can do great, noble, courageous things for COMPLETELY SELFISH AND FUCKED UP INTENTIONS!?!?!

Have some empathy, people.

[criedtherabbit.livejournal.com]

JK Rowling has called it loved. And, you know, she thought up the whole thing. So.

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

Yes, Snape's love was so noble that he treated her son worse than dirt. His love was so noble he was willing to let her husband and son die (it doesn't matter that he changed his mind, the fact that he was willing in the first place says a lot about her character). His love was so noble that he only regretted using a slur against her because it was against her. He believed she was an exception but actually believed the pureblood crap.

I think the scene worked in the movie because a lot of the worst of the baggage wasn't there. In the movie, it really did read like noble and self-sacrificing unrequited love. In the books, though, Snape comes across as an obsessed jerk with serious issues who likes to bully children.

[(Anonymous)]

" His love was so noble that he only regretted using a slur against her because it was against her. He believed she was an exception but actually believed the pureblood crap."

This. I hate when people forget this about Snape: he was using a slur against Lily, and regretted upsetting her with it but carried on with those views, thus insulting not only her but her parents, her sister, and all the people she knew before she was in Hogwarts (who would have been non-magical). It's like calling a black friend "nigger" and then apologising for it but continuing to hold racist views. And there's no real evidence as far as I can tell to show that Snape renounced those views over the course of his life. He's as much a racist as the Malfoys are.

[crazyponko.livejournal.com]

Well, Snape did tell the portrait in Dumbledore's office not to call Hermione a mudblood, so he might have changed his views by the end of the series.

[ceasefire.livejournal.com]

Or it reminded him of how he lost Lily.

[crazyponko.livejournal.com]

Maybe. I can see it being either. Or both.

[ceasefire.livejournal.com]

Yeah, could've been both. Not gonna deny that he was a fairly complex character, but I also think that his memory of Lily and the regret of what could have been was probably the biggest factor driving his later actions, which is why I thought it was probably more the Lily thing.

[crazyponko.livejournal.com]

I agree with that. I figure he probably had a lot of time after Lily died to reflect on his racist views.