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⌈ Secret Post #1691 ⌋

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Rowling created an annoyingly heteronormative world, yeah.

Huh? Dumbledore being gay ring a bell to you?

dumbledore was not textually gay in the books, and after ONE failed romance (that again, was never explicitly mentioned as a romance) he never had another relationship again. that's not exactly a shining example of pro-gay/non-heteronormativity.

DA

Whether or not it was in books or not is irrelevant considering that Meran_Flash wasn't just referring to the books but 'Rowling's world'.

"...and after ONE failed romance (that again, was never explicitly mentioned as a romance) he never had another relationship again. that's not exactly a shining example of pro-gay/non-heteronormativity."

Actually, she stated that he was in love so most likely it was a romance. And why does it matter if he never sought out another relationship again, he still was in one. Meran_Flash commented that it was heternormative world, and obviously with Dumbledore's situation that isn't true.

Dear anon,

Gay people still exist in societies dominated by heteronormativity. You're talking to one.

Sincerely,

me.

SMH at you.

If JKR was really under the heteronormative mindset then Dumbledore wouldn't be gay.

lrn2 sociological definitions, anon.

Really? Because I'm under the impression that you don't know what it means.

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(Anonymous) - 2011-08-21 03:23 (UTC) - Expand

(Anonymous) - 2011-08-21 16:17 (UTC) - Expand

Ohhhh poor baby.

it was never explicitly mentioned in the BOOKS. dumbledore was 100% written as basically non-romantic non-sexual, rowling going "oh btw i always thought of him as gay" doesn't make that relationship and his orientation textual.

also it's not really confirmed even BY jkr outside the books that it was a relationship beyond friendship. so essentially we have "young man is attracted to another boy, who turns out to be evil, then he never has another relationship and is portrayed as eccentric non-sexual until he dies." never seen THAT before. what a gay role model omg thank you jkr.

but lmao that you apparently think "heteronormative" means "everyone is straight"

SA-- ugh I keep saying "never has another relationship" but what i mean is "never apparently pursues another relationship" since i believe dumbledore/grindelwald was unrequited

so basically he never has an actual romantic relationship his entire long long life

We're talking about her world from the beginning, which goes beyond the books. Please keep up before you get yourself in a rage.

"also it's not really confirmed even BY jkr outside the books that it was a relationship beyond friendship."

Yes, she does. http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/207262

"Heteronormativity is the cultural bias in favor of opposite-sex relationships of a sexual nature, and against same-sex relationships of a sexual nature."

No, it means she wouldn't have bothered because she would have been in this mindset.

after ONE failed romance (that again, was never explicitly mentioned as a romance) he never had another relationship again

Not to mention the whole thing where his failed romance nearly lured him into EVIL and he spent the rest of his life basically doing penance for it. That's such a painfully homophobic trope.

I would say that it falls more under the Love Makes You Evil trope then homophobic trope.

DA-- maybe, but when paired with celibate gay and dead gay tropes*, it definitely becomes part of the trend of similar homophobic tropes.

(*i debated on including dead gay trope b/c so many die in hp, but since the ONLY gay character in the series dies, i'm thinking it counts.)

LOL! It might not if they'd only read the books.

iknowrite!

She also wrote all characters as having all ten fingers. Doesn't she realize there are people born with less than ten fingers! How dare she not account for that.

Wow, you actually think that's comparable or even near to the same thing.

LOL.

you are so right

i feel bad for all those people who are denied equal rights or kicked out of their homes or and assaulted or killed because they were born with only nine fingers

it's such an underrepresented oppressed minority

Heteronormativity has become a joke. It's sad, but true. Too many people flinging the word around at everything and anything.

{rolls eyes} Good lord...I'm so amazed that people continue to whine about this after all these years.

ikr, queers need to get over never being represented

While it WAS a heteronormative world, it was mostly focused on kids and their relationships with each other outside of romance and sexuality. Also, the fact that she introduced Dumbledore's sexuality outside of the books showed me that she didn't feel comfortable writing about things like that because of unfamiliarity. I'd much rather she create a heteronormative world than try to write characters that might offend people due to their portrayal. For example, I believe that if she, as a heteronormative person, had written a trans* character, people would be much more likely to either say that they were "enforcing a stereotype" if they exhibited certain traits, but if she left out those traits the character would be criticized as "not a true representation of the trans* community." She wasn't a writer that tried to stir up controversy, because she wrote childrens' books, and as unfortunate as it may be, including gay/trans* people would do just that. Until the rest of the world is more educated about these kinds of matters, people that are unfamiliar with the gay/trans* community should probably stay out of childrens' books.

it was mostly focused on kids and their relationships with each other outside of romance and sexuality

Did you read the last three books?

4/7 of the series had little to no focus on romance and sexuality, and even the last three, while they had those things as plot points, were not all-encompassing. Hence why I said "mostly." I didn't say it wasn't a plot point at all or that it didn't exist. But for the entirety of the first few books, and for most of the content of the last few, those subjects still were on the backburner in favor of friendship, overcoming evil, and their interaction with the rest of the wizarding world.