[ SECRET POST #1726 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1726 ⌋


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Notes:

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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

09. http://i51.tinypic.com/2dw5gsm.jpg

[cyren-2132.livejournal.com]

OK, seriously. The way you got to that revelation is not nearly as important than having gotten there. Because those ARE legitimate concerns that bear thinking about, even if at the end you still support Assange wholeheartedly. (And for what it's worth, I kind of think part of fiction's JOB is not only to entertain but also to have some affect on how we view the world around us, so really there's no shame in this secret at all.)

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

I agree. It's easier to show different facets of an issue in fiction, I think, compared to how things are framed by media in real life, and how our viewpoints on real things are reinforced by real world motivations. Sympathizing with the villain of a story is seen differently than sympathizing with a real person who does horrible things. But the examination of those things in fiction can help us see around those RL biases. It's easy in real life to say "fuck the government, information should be free!" and see them as some faceless evil entity, but when you think about characters who are keeping secrets for good reasons, it's easier to understand.

[xanykaos.livejournal.com]

Thank you.

It's easy to forget that when so much fiction these days really is just mindless entertainment and if it also happens to be smart, that's a bonus but...

Well, not to outright bring religion into anything, but that's why Jesus used parables--a fictional story that puts an issue into a smaller perspective. Buddhist stories too. It's not so much important if something is real, it's how it makes you look at the world around you.

[carolpent.livejournal.com]

I wouldn't say that's such a strange notion. You're just connecting something in real life to something you know a lot about. Admittedly, the situation's a little different, and you'd probably be better going with her spilling Ministry secrets rather than Order ones since the Order is sort of like if...I dunno, a local branch of the SWP were fighting a local branch of the American Nazi party only richer in a small town and, like, the mayor got involved.

[carolpent.livejournal.com]

Dear god did I ever lose track of that metaphor. Okay, just going with the last part of what I said with the Order being the SWP and such - the mayor and the town council would be the ones she'd be spilling secrets for if she were Julian Assange.

I realize I've just made this even more confusing. But if you want to scale it up, if Rita Skeeter is Julian Assange then the United States is the Ministry, not the Order, in the situation you're bringing up. And god knows what the Order and the Death Eaters would be in this situation, because I don't think they're supposed to be part of the government, so...maybe the Death Eaters are the Dominionists and the Order are liberals of some shade? Someone help me.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, what if Rita Skeeter revealed Voldemort's plan on mass muggle and mudblood killings. Would that even things out for ya?

[rosehiptea.livejournal.com]

Now I want to write that as a fic.

[mskye.livejournal.com]

I ship this now.

[(Anonymous)]

I will completely support Julian Assange until the day I die, because I believe he's doing important work. I believe wholeheartedly in government accountability and transparency, and Assange has done good work for both of those things. I will not deny, however, that it does worry me sometimes- he could be killed for his actions, or other people could be killed for his actions if he forgets to redact something. It doesn't make it less important, but in his position, there are a lot of other things he has to worry about.

While I can kind of see the connection between the two, I don't think Rita Skeeter's intentions were... completely uncorrupt (is that even a word?), I guess? She was more interested in muckraking, and keeping the Ministry of Magic in charge of the Daily Prophet, at least in the fourth book. In the later books she redeemed herself by posting Dumbledore's biography and Harry's interview in the Quibbler, but she still will always have the sort of corruption that comes with helping a corrupt entity keep control. So I don't really see her and Assange as equals?

TL;DR anon just had surgery and is hopped up on narcotic painkillers and rambles on about Julian Assange and Rita Skeeter.

And on another note, I kind of want fic of the two of them.

[oflittlebrain.livejournal.com]

...uummmm i agree that the whole thing reeks of irresponsible journalism but honestly this sounds so dumb when you put it like this...

harry pottter fandom oh man

[childings.livejournal.com]

He doesn't just present the facts, that's the thing. He puts his own spin on facts to direct you to certain conclusions. Whether or not his intentions are good, that skeeves me out (also his whole arrogant attitude of "what I'm doing is right no matter who suffers as a result of what I do" bothers me)

Anyway, I like to compare him to Char Aznable (who is a character I think is evil even if nobody agrees... though these are the same people who call him "out of character" in Char's Counterattack which is frankly, ridiculous, but I digress)

[gelaecter.livejournal.com]

Yes, this so much

[adlanth.livejournal.com]

It's great if it made you think more deeply about the issue, because, as already pointed out, part of the function of fiction is to make sense of reality... But then you have to think about it as an issue in its own right and not just think in terms of "how fictional characters would react to" it, because, well, the situations are still different.

[(Anonymous)]

I too support Wikileaks but saying you support Julian Assange...I hope you don't excuse him raping people. After that, I just can't support him.

[mistress-siana.livejournal.com]

If Dumbledore were real, his actions would be in serious need of public exposure. His position of power was build on strength, not on democratic legitimisation. His disregard for human rights in the 'war against Voldemort' is no less wrong than Western governments' violation of human rights in the War on Terror.

The thing is, in fiction, good intentions can make all the difference between a good guy and a baddie. Real life needs clearer rules than that.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

Dumbledore was terrified of being assigned a post of power because he didn't believe he could handle power responsible. I think he was right to be afraid. He does not handle power well.

How many people were hurt, mutilated, killed, and god knows what else at Hogwarts because he didn't intervene, or because he had some SUPER IMPORTANT PLAN GOING ON and he couldn't be half-assed to get better teachers or to implement better discipline or because he didn't trust his staff with pertinent information? He took serious gambles on Harry's decisions and that could have misfired horribly.

And I don't mean discipline just the Slytherins; the main trio did very stupid, hurtful things and they kept on doing them because they were never properly disciplined and they thought that "as long as I'm right anything goes, right?", just like Dumbles did.

And all of this because Dumbledore believed himself to be right and to know more than everyone else. There are moments in canon when you can see how Dumbledore goes "oh shit, I misjudged something, I screwed up, what can I do, maybe I shouldn't be keeping all this secre- oh wait, Harry's awesome dumb luck kicked in again and saved the day! Never mind, then!"

[ichini-sanshigo.livejournal.com]

Yep. I would also add that neither Assange nor Skeeter have any obligation to keep other people's secrets.

[tocasia.livejournal.com]

This is an awesome idea.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I'm glad that you realized that - no matter what caused it. As someone said up-thread, it isn't really important what gave that insight to you, so much as the fact that it happened.

Point in fact, the reason I cannot, and will not ever support what he did is because he released information that could have gotten people killed, amongst other things. The fact that he didn't seem to give a flying fuck that people were endangered by his actions makes it even worse for me.