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After taking a course on 3rd Reich propaganda and actually watching the films and shit they made...yeah, I can perfectly understand how and why people got caught up in the Nazi zeitgeist and were genuinely for it. The entire class agreed that Triumph of the Will was pretty damn impressive and yeah, most of us in there would've ended up in the Nazi party if we didn't know how it ended up. There's a shit ton of social and psychological factors that were at work, and Goebbels and friends were evil geniuses at manipulating the populace.

This. It would have been hard to go against the norms, and it's hard to say one way or another if one would be pro or anti nazi or not. We see it now with the benefit of hindsight, and we know the ideals teh nazi's were preaching were evil, but then? So much was giong on, so much pain and anger from WWI, so much pressure and factors, yeah, no one can say for sure what would happen to them.

not to mention that you were pretty much either with Hitler or against him, and a lot of people had to deal with the threat of their families being killed if they didn't cooperate

Exactly. I mean, I have people in my family who went against Hitler. One of them was executed (along with most of his family IIRC, which I don't know if I am), my great-grandmother ended up in a concentration camp... Life sucked horrifically if you went against Hitler, it would be hard not to crack under that sort of pressure...

Germans were cowards.

Not quite how it worked, but thanks for playing.

Exactly. And Triumph of the Will only the most famous example. Not to mention the historical context - Germany was slowly crawling out of a devastating economic crash, they felt like they'd been humiliated and disproportionaltely punished by the rest of Europe for World War I, and Hitler and the Nazi pary promised a restored, revitalized Germany, preying on the hardships that ordinary Germans already faced. It wasn't as simple as everyone being an "evil person", and that's what makes it so insidious and terrifying.

/tl;dr

Also, at first Hitler seemed like a really cool, nice guy. He was a very attractive (um, not physically, though whatever floats your boat lol) political figure and won over a ton of people at the very beginning, before they started doing anything wrong. By the time the party started committing the really awful acts, most members were so entrenched in the ideologies, they weren't going to just up and quit all of a sudden...everyone became disillusioned more gradually, but by then it was too late to leave the party out of fear of death or loss of everything you owned.

this is what I came here to say. My Philosophy professor once dated a woman who's grandmother had voted for and supported the Nazi Party during that time. He told us he'd asked her how she could possibly have thought they were what was best for her country and her people, and all she said was "You've never been hungry."

This. Germany dug itself out of one of the worst depressions possible at the time Hitler came to power. You'd probably do a lot of things if it meant you had food and a job and a clean shirt on your back, after burning your worthless deutschemarks for heat.

Which makes me rather terrified for who Americans *i'm one* will vote for in 2012, because a lot of people out there are desperate and pissed off and a lot of really objectionable people are stirring them up with rants about 'taking the country back' - apparently to Medieval times - so....

Yeah. Skeery.

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more than just feeling like they'd been disproportionately punished, they actually *were*-- they were devastated economically, physically, mentally/emotionally, and honestly when you're that far down you start becoming willing to buy some crazy shit.

yes, this, a thousand times over. I'm constantly irritated by the fact that a huge number of people don't realize that if things had happened differently at the end of WWI, WWII might never have happened. >:(

(not to mention that things would be very different in the Middle East and Africa!)

There was a story my history teacher used to tell about one of his family members in postwar Germany seeing a basket of Deutschmarks out on a bench, that someone had forgotten. By the time he emerged from the store, the basket had been stolen - but not the Deutschmarks in it. Because the basket was worth more than they were.

I mean, most of us can't even conceive being in that dire economic straights.

I remember reading that--about how they printed so many sheets of money and people were just using them as fire fuel because they were so worthless.

I've heard that story, although the setting was the US during the Depression. The point remains.

Thank you for proving that this community is overrun with Nazi apologists.

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Agreed, though I think it's important to remember that their economic privations were made much worse by wealthy currency speculators within the nation, who kept sabotaging the recovering economy for their own benefit (much like the people in Ireland who were actually exporting food during the great Potato Famine.) I think it needs to be said, because I've met lots of people who actually think that the entire historical context in which Hitler came to power was caused by the Treaty of Versailles. Some of them are actually like "The nations that won WWI actually caused WWII, because they put Germany under such horrific pressure that they had no choice -" and it's like "lol no."

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Triumph of the Will put me to sleep

This. I'm calling bs on everybody who says they would never have stood by. You have to be a really rare sort of awesome human being when you can't ignore the plight of others despite what may happen to your loved ones and your home while being brainwashed. You just can't know.

Yeah, for at lot of people it isn't about the consequences that may befall them, but what might be done to their family in retaliation.

I don't have to have an ounce of sympathy for those people, though. Especially when there were plenty of people who didn't just stand idly by while it was happening.

This, forever.

You don't have to do anything, but it's more than a little hypocritical to condemn somebody for doing what you yourself might very well have done in their situation, no matter how despicable it is. The first stone is not yours to throw.

oh yeah, it's definitely a tough situation. Triumph of the Will was a damn well made film, and as much as people want to believe they would fight the nazis, humans are really susceptible to propaganda and influence. I mean, just look at the results of the Milgram experiment and other various experiments of the sort. I think that it was a terrible awful thing, and I really wish I could say for sure that I would have resisted, but there's no way to know for sure until you're in that type of situation.

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