[ SECRET POST #1756 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1756 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 07 pages, 165 secrets from Secret Submission Post #251.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[jactrades]

Not that I have ever given this any thought, but, yeah, I agree with you, Anon.

Creepy as all get out? Check.
Unhygienic? Yup.
Probably against the wishes of the deceased? I'd generally assume so. (but I suppose a will might be made out...)
Horrifying to relatives & friends who still mentally and emotionally associate the body with the person they loved? Yeah, probably. :(

Morally equivalent to rape or non-con? Fuck no.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd definitely call it non-con (since that literally means "non-consensual", which seems to apply) but not necessarily rape

[jactrades]

Eh, but in order for an act to be non-consensual, there has to be a possibility of consent, no? Things - and a dead body is just a thing, not a person, in the end - aren't in the class of entities that can give consent. There's no mind there, after all.

I suppose the counterargument is that the person, before death could give (or not give) consent via a will or whatever - but upon reflection, I think that that form of consent is a different one entirely from the consent implied in the term "non-consensual". (insert rant about the slippery English language) Consent given via a will would be more along the lines of "this is what I want done with my things after my death" - and these generally aren't the sort of wishes we (as a society) give equal preference to as those of living people. (See organ transplants, for example).

I should really just go read the SEP article on this, and then stop thinking about dead bodies & their wishes.

[loolaa.livejournal.com]

Eh, but in order for an act to be non-consensual, there has to be a possibility of consent, no?

I don't think so. For example some one living eg: someone with dementia or very severe learning disabilities would be unable to give consent. It would still be considered rape to have sex with them.

[(Anonymous)]

They can't consent because even when they do they're have not had the possibility to make an informed decision. On the flip side a corpse can't make any decision at all.

[loolaa.livejournal.com]

They can't consent because even when they do they're have not had the possibility to make an informed decision.

That's what I just said.

On the flip side a corpse can't make any decision at all.

I purposefully left out any references to necrophilia because I have no interest in a pointless discussion about the subject. My only reason for commenting was to say that there doesn't always have to be a possibility of consent in order for an act to be non-consensual.

[(Anonymous)]

I suppose it depend on your religious/spiritual belief, but for someone who sees a dead body as nothing more than worm food, the idea of consent doesn't apply to necrophilia. It's like saying that fucking a blow-up doll is non-con because the doll never consented. But the doll is a thing. It can't consent, but it can't not consent either, you know? It's completely unrelated to the idea of consent.

Obviously there's still a huge difference between fucking a blow-up doll and a dead body, but that difference is not consent. The differences is that the dead body has relatives and friends who care about it and would be upset by the necrophilia.

[(Anonymous)]

non-con IS rape. they are literally the exact same thing, just one is dressed up in a "nicer" sounding euphemism.

[(Anonymous)]

non-con covers a lot more acts than rape does. Rape is non-con, but non-con isn't necessarily rape.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm curious as to how non-con isn't necessarily rape?

[(Anonymous)]

i think they mean that, like... fucking a dildo or a fleshlight is non-con, because a sex toy can't consent. but i don't know if that is a legitimate point of view, because an object is not the same as a living creature.

[(Anonymous)]

I...what? That isn't what I meant at all...

[(Anonymous)]

.... it appears i missed a turn

sa

[(Anonymous)]

It happens to the best of us!

[(Anonymous)]

in a lot of fics, non-con is used to describe a situation in which, say, a character is being forcibly kissed by someone or is receiving unwanted touching/fondling. Those things aren't rape but, like rape, they are a form of sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

Still a dressed-up term for something we already have a word for - it's called molestation people.