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I already stated earlier that my system wouldn't have forced sterilizations or abortions. Adoption would happen. Even then, a group of highly trained experts would have to agree that the woman is too unstable to function as a parent.

And that's already happening with Child Services removing children from unstable homes, and even then there's a ton of problems in the system, with severe abuse being overlooked in some cases while being unfairly played up or manufactured in other cases. So think how much worse your child license scenario would be.

Uh, also, on your previous post:

Nobody cares unless you strangle your baby to death. Even then, you'd have all the freedom to try and raise another one.

No, in general you go to jail for murder if that happens. They don't give you a slap on the wrist for killing a baby.

I realize it can be hard to distinguish an abusive home from a non-abusive one in the long run. Admittedly my system wouldn't be perfect, but the question is, could it help?

The problem would be to draw the line, of course, but I wouldn't think it's absolutely impossible to make a checklist of a few extremely heavy criteria that would prevent a bad parent from raising children.

Your system would victimize more than it could help. If you have extremely heavy criteria, most child abusers will slip through the cracks because most child abusers don't look like they're going to hurt a child. On the other hand it's going to penalize people with mental disorders, despite the fact that they can be perfectly competent parents--like mine, for instance.

Hmm, your argument is starting to sound like something I agree with. Yeah, some child abusers could probably slip through my system. Like I said, it wouldn't be perfect. Very few government systems are, in the end.

I was referring to very obvious cases that would/should ring with anyone's common sense. My hypothetical future parent has a history of violent crime and a medically proven tendency for incontrollable fits of rage and abuse, and also approves of spanking kids for discipline. Would it be such an outlandish idea to prohibit a person from legally starting a family before they've gotten professional help for their problem?

Well, I guess that's my core argument but you'll probably disagree anyway. I think we're coming to a dead end with this.

If they're provable a danger to a hypothetical child, then they're already a provable danger to society. If people keep getting in fights, we lock them up. If it's due to medical problems we institutionalize them until they've gotten treatment.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that we already have laws in place to deal with violent people.

even if what you're saying is totally insane, I have to admire you a little but for saying all of this bullshit under your username and still standing firm despite everyone thinking you're crazy

Haha I'm not actually planning to start my own totalitarian regime here so rest assured, silly anon.

I know my idea is outrageous but I like to ponder if there's any way it could ever work in real life. No one's tried it as far as I know.

Sometimes I just read a news story about a mother microwaving their baby and think whether anything could've prevented that shit.

She went to prison. Is that enough for you?

Because guess what? Your logic is horrible.

You're telling me because every single driver out on the road passed their driver's test, they must be a great driver, right? Right? Then how come we still see drunk drivers? How come we still see them making all the mistakes their drivers said not to make? How come we see road rage?

It doesn't make them good drivers anymore than passing a "parent test" would make a parent a good parent.

It just makes them a person who passed a test.

And you're clinging to some crap logic if you still believe that the government won't take that system and abuse it.

I'm actually a little disappointed that you choose to stay anon because I like your arguments :)

You wouldn't give a driver's license to someone blind, or someone with practically nonexistent reflexes or motoric skills, though. Not everyone with a driving license is an excellent driver, but at least the licence system doesn't accept people who are objectively incapable of driving safely.

Actually, I have poor fine-motor skills and extremely bad reflexes. It's called dyspraxia and it's never prevented me from getting a driver's license. It means I have to be careful, nothing more, nothing less.

And a blind person know that they will not be getting behind the wheel of a car any time soon. They choose not to take the test, so why bring it up?

Here's my point. Comparing a parenting license to driver's license is a bad analogy. Is it also a yearly thing like a driver's license? Or is it a one time with a wedding license? If your kid's grades start dropping, are you in danger of losing your parental rights?

And here is something you never once addressed. What about the homosexual community? Where does parenting license leave them? What about the same couples who already have kids? Do they get grandfathered into the system or do they get their kids snapped up if they don't pass your precious tests?

Agreed that the driving license analogy was clumsy, but it was literally the first license that came to mind and I didn't intend to compare them any further originally.

Eh, maybe it's because I was raised in a socialist country but I'd see nothing wrong with a practice to consult with a professional when planning to start a family. A baby is a huge life decision and since people aren't always rational about babies, a third party could give valuable help, recommendations and advice, anything really to secure a better future for the kid. Maybe they could even add a bonus to your child benefit if you went through all the hoops they ask you to. Go to parenting classes and whatnot.

That would be the kinder version of my idea since it doesn't really force anything on anyone. It's more realistic, I admit, but at least my "parenting license" idea sparked a rather interesting discussion here.

I guess the point I was originally making was that I wouldn't mind if the government kept an eye on people who decide to reproduce. Because sometimes people are dumb and make bad decisions, and one shouldn't make bad decisions when there's a childhood at stake.

The United States government can't even run itself. Why should it run my uterus or for that matter take away my hypothetical children because I can't leap through the hoops well enough? We nearly came close to a law in Mississippi passing that would have given a fertilized egg rights over the woman.

Some of the worst most restrictive laws in history came about for the children, but in reality, they were used to control. Please remember that.

Plus rich people would be able to pay their way into being bad parents.

Did you actually read my comment because I did state that the more realistic version of my idea wouldn't FORCE people in any way. Parents would simply get financial support if they consulted with a professional about their baby plans and went to parenting class. Does that still sound bad to you.

Actually, yes, it is. If you're poor and you need the money, you're forced into classes that you don't want simply for the financial aid. That's what we call extortion. Pure and simple. Rich people don't need the benefit.

Well. I guess I can only agree that this model could work in my country, but not in yours.

But why wouldn't you want a free parenting class to, you know, help you be a better parent, expecially if you'd get financial aid after it? What would you lose?

Because it's assuming that you're going to be a default bad parent unless you take these classes.

AYRT ...No, it's assuming that pretty much everyone could be a better parent and that parents(-to-be), like all people, are imperfect human beings. Sure, some need less help than others, but even so, what's wrong with revising what you think you already know? Or learning something completely new that might have never even occurred to you otherwise? I'd think it's better than raising children by trial and error. "Whoops, you should't hold a baby like that or feed that to children? My bad, I'll do better with the next kid!"

Sometimes I really wonder if some people are looking for a reason to be offended.

My grandfather has been having seizures ever since he had a stroke, and he was allowed to renew his license.

I already stated earlier that my system wouldn't have

Thank you for dropping in, Michelle Bachmann.

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