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⌈ Secret Post #1812 ⌋

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This is one of those things that's a constant presence in my local library, but I've never bothered to check it out. Is it really offensive or something?

Very abridged summary of the massive problems with this series: There are three male leads/love interests. Two are MAJORLY abusive assholes and the other is the female lead's (Hatsumi) adopted brother who grew up with her from very young childhood (Westermarck effect? What Westermarck effect?) and is creepy in his own way, though not *quite* as bad as the other two. The first abusive asshole wins Hatsumi in the end, who is completely spineless and passive and puts up with all his crap. The second abusive asshole is a childhood friend who turns out to be out for revenge against Hatsumi's father, so he tries to get Hatsumi gang-raped on film. SHE STILL TRIES TO 'HELP' AND 'UNDERSTAND' HIM AFTER THIS.

tl;dr: abuse is romantic and means a person really cares for you.

I call Hatsumi "doormat-chan"... It's like the author went out of her way to make her absolutely submissive...

Okay, what is it about shoujo and gang rape? Was there like a time when it was really being pushed as a trope, like how all urban fantasy now is contractually obligated to have a love triangle? Because I was reading Hana Yori Dango a while back and that had an almost gang rape too, and then I got spoiled for the guy who set up the almost gang rape ending up with the main character and ragequit the manga.

And then there was Yui in Fushigi Yugi (which was a fake out but whatever), and just... why so much almost gang rape, shoujo?

I'm pretty sure that shit started in the 90s
Though I wonder why
It is troubling

Maybe I'm just a depressing thinker, but it just makes me worried about Japanese culture in regards to that sort of thing, eugh. Well, shoujo manga as a whole makes me worry. So many abusive/possesive/controlling dudes, it's like half of them are mini-twilights.

Hana Yori Dango is at least better than Hot Gimmick in this case (and I swear I'm not just saying this because I like HYD), because at least Tsukasa (HYD) realizes he's a complete douchebag and makes an effort to change. He's still a jerk, but it's clear he actually cares about Tsukushi and listens to her when she stands up to him. Ryoki (HG) doesn't give a damn about Hatsumi; there's actually a point in vol. 6 or 7 where he listens to her concerns and pretends to do what she wants solely to get her to obey him, and then he laughs at her and calls her an idiot for expecting him to do something without reciprocation.

I never thought Shinogu (the brother) was creepy at all, although I agree that his feelings for Hatsumi are problematic given they are brother and sister (even if they aren't blood related). Still, in a comic where all the other dudes are abusive and he's the only guy who actually cares about Hatsumi and treats her with some ounce of respect, I had to sympathize with him a little

It's impossible to ship Hatsumi with anyone in this comic, though

I didn't think it was creepy when I read it, but thinking about it now I find it really unsettling that Shinogu was trying to pursue a relationship with Hatsumi when she still thought of him as a brother.

It's about a really meek girl and a really dominant guy. I guess you could construe it as anti-feminist or whatever, but honestly, I don't think the author meant for it to be taken like "This is how every relationship SHOULD be." It's just wish-fulfillment for people who are into that kind of thing.

So no, I don't think it's offensive, but I can see why it rubs people the wrong way.

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