[ SECRET POST #1815 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1815 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 41 secrets from Secret Submission Post #259.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 2 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[kaitlia777.livejournal.com]

I think part of the appeal of the Magneto character is that his ideology, though extreme, is somewhat understandable. There are people out there that the world would be better off without, IMO, so I can agree with your POV.

Yeah, most people would probably think Magneto isn't an emotionally healthy role model, lol, but both he and Xavier are too stuck in their ways. There has to be a middle ground.

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

pretty much. The reason Mags was so great in that movie - well, one of many reasons - is because he COMPLETELY came across as a reasonable result of having been oppressed and marginalized his whole life. (Still, wiping out EVERYONE ELSE isn't necessarily the best plan.)

[miss-makiba.livejournal.com]

...I'll be honest and say that I didn't find Magneto's end game reasonable at all, given his history. His mother was human, right? And he must have encountered some decent human beings while off seeking revenge. And he's a smart enough guy to learn all those languages, so it's not like he was operating from a position of ignorance. I just feel it was explained poorly, I guess.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

Ia. And having him take up the same ideology that was used against him? Ehhh... you'd think he'd know what it was like from the other perspective and not even go there.

I understand fighting back. But starting another world war that's going to rope in children... he's clearly not heartless, so idgi.

[hoggle2807.livejournal.com]

And having him take up the same ideology that was used against him?
I would agree with this being unrealistic had I not recently watched a video about violent college marching band hazing, where so many people thought they would be the ones to stop the cycle only to reach the point here the could and then...not.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't happen. (Especially considering the fucked up situation he grew up with.) I guess I just liked to think Eric was better than that.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. The contrast between Magneto and Xavier is one of the greatest themes of X-Men. Magneto was raised in horror and perversion; Xavier in wealth and first world decadence. They use their backgrounds as the model of what is right and just, striving to convert others to their cause without ever making great changes to themselves. But that's what you want in a leader: someone who is sure in his convictions.

I find Xavier far worse a person and less understandable than Magneto. Xavier crosses all sorts of privacy bound and uses his powers to wipe minds and compel others to do his bidding. Magneto always gives you a choice: agree with him or perish. He's brutal, but he's honest in his brutality. Xavier will pretend to be your friend and use you; Magneto will just use you.

[lilith20godrich.livejournal.com]

Xavier is just using his abilities the same way all mutants do, including Magneto - it's hypocritical to criticise him for using his telepathy and at the same time to agree with Magneto's ideas that all mutants should be proud of their nature.

[(Anonymous)]

Woah, where did I say I agreed with anyone? I think Magneto and Xavier are two of the most immoral characters in X-Men. It's just that Magneto's way of doing things usually gives people a chance to fight. I assumed that Magneto becoming an almost exact copy of the people he hated most was a given flaw.

The other X-Men movies don't show the Xavier of the comics, where he is a much less moral man and uses his power along a code that shifts all the time. That's what I find off-putting: Xavier's belief in a strong moral code but inability to hold fast to that code. Magneto's code is black and white: you are a mutant and with me or you are against me.

[lilith20godrich.livejournal.com]

I am talking about only Xavier or Magneto from First Class - cause frankly, same characters in FC, in comics, oin different storylines of comics, in Singer movies, or Ratner movie - all of them are different characters. I don't see how it's possible to judge those characters on the basis of things they did in different universes.
And when I look at those storylines separately, it's pretty incredible to hear that Xavier of First Class is a worse person than Magneto of a First Class. He is far from perfect, course, but it's just a different level.
And excuse me, if someone will ask me what to chose in the situation when poor irrelevant human little me somehow ended up on the way of those powerful mutatnts - to lose a few memories or end up with a knife I stuck in my own gut, like this russian soldier in the deleted scenes of the movie, it's going to be a really easy choice.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Choice? *snort* What you say of Magneto reminds me of the Eddie Izzard "cake or death" routine. What kind of choice is that?

[kryptoncat.livejournal.com]

Your analysis is very intriguing, but you should know Magneto's 'choice' is actually a Hobson's choice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice) or a Morton's Fork (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton%27s_fork), the non-choice, which really isn't any better.