[ SECRET POST #1837 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1837 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02. [broken link]


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[Robin Of Sherwood/Michael Praed]


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[Glee]


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[We Got Married - Ga In (Brown Eyed Girls)/Jo Kwon (2AM)]


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[Buzz Lightyear of Star Command]


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09. http://i.imgur.com/8DbqS.png
[linked for nudity/kind of porny]


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[Josh Groban and Andrea Bocelli]


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[Beast Wars, Megatron]


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[Magic Mike]


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16. [repeat]


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[Harry Potter & Little House on the Prairie]


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[X-Men: First Class]


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[Death Note]


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25. [SPOILERS for something, OP did not specify]



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26. [SPOILERS for Vampire Hunter D]



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27. [SPOILERS for Christmas Doctor Who and New Year's Sherlock]



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28. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]
[SPOILERS for Loveless]



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29. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse]



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30. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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31. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape, animal cruelty]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #262.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[replicantangel.livejournal.com]

I don't think it's unusual or bad. And I don't think it has anything to do with being desensitized to human violence or not accepting the Circle of Life either. At least, not for me. I personally find animal abuse more horrifying than (almost) anything that humans can do to each other because animals are entirely powerless. It takes a special sort of monster to abuse an animal that can't defend itself (and in fact, usually will do anything to please a human). It's the same reason why child abuse seems so much more horrific than the abuse of an adult. It's about the perceived innocence.

(Edited for typos.)

[(Anonymous)]

Entirely powerless? Apparently you've never known anyone who was mauled by an animal.

[followthemoth.livejournal.com]

I think it depends on the situation.

For example, a person defending itself from a tiger and killing it in self-defense, wouldn't be extremely upsetting for me, yeah, it's sad the tiger died but it wasn't helpless/defenseless. The things that tend to set people off are when people prey on small, harmless animals, especially pets who don't have the instinct to run away from humans the same way wildlife does and are often trusting to humans the same way young chilren are.

[xizarx.livejournal.com]

Exactly.

If it's self-defense, I doubt OP (nor I) would feel the same. But abusing, torturing and killing animals that just trust humans or are not big enough to defend themselves is...disgusting.

[replicantangel.livejournal.com]

Nice assumption. I have, actually, known mauling victims - several of them. It's a horrifying thing, and I wish I could erase some of those memories. But here I was talking about perceptions, and the general perception that is deeply ingrained in most people is that animals (and children) are powerless and helpless.

I will say that even maulings aren't done with malicious intent, while abuse definitely is. A dog that mauls a human is doing so out of defense or fear or some other base instinct. Comparing deliberate abuse with what an animal does out of instinct is apples and oranges.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, first of all, you didn't frame your statment as a comment on a general perception; you clearly stated it was your own personal opinion, and that was why I made my assumption. If you've had these experiences, you should know that animals aren't helpless and operate on powerful instincts. And my point was precisely that what animals do they do based on instinct. However, that has to apply to anything violent as well as anything percived as loving. If an animal can't be "guilty," it can't be "innocent." Animals simply do not have the mental capicity to differentiate or to suffer long-term trauma to the depth and degree that humans do.

[followthemoth.livejournal.com]

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There is plenty of evidence that animals mourn, remember and feel. More than just Michael's story. Have you ever witnessed an animal after the loss of a loved one? They're devasted. Animals have returned to graves of their loved ones to queitly mourn, years after, even bringing small tokens and gifts. There's a lot of examples that disprove your statement, but Michael's is probably one of the strongest.

[(Anonymous)]

If you are willing to give significant weight to these behaviors, then what's to stop you from labeling any violent or destructive behaviors as malicious or cruel? My point wasn't that animals don't experince any feelings of attatchment or loss, simply that they are not comparable to a human's.

[followthemoth.livejournal.com]

That's fair. I don't think we should but labels like more or less on human vs. animal behaviour; they're just different.

Sorry if I misunderstood your point.

[(Anonymous)]

simply that they are not comparable to a human's.

Why not?

[replicantangel.livejournal.com]

You're right. I muddled my argument there. My apologies. Similarly, I was not clear that were you talking solely about instinctual reactions - it sounded like you equated the mental state of a mauling animal to that of a human abuser. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Overall though, I do still believe that animals are powerless in comparison to humans - even physically more powerful animals such as tigers can be abused. Humans have the higher though processes to dominate even the more physically powerful, and that unfortunately sometimes leads to abuse. Getting off topic there though.

I was using the word 'innocence', not in the guilt/innocent way, but in the sense of a lack of guile or awareness. In that sense, they are innocent, just as small children are. And that's my point, muddled as it may have been - they are our intellectual inferiors. The abuse of something that can't comprehend the reasons for it, much less be capable of anything but instinctual reaction (violent or not), is perceived of as worse than the abuse of someone that can.

[starphotographs.livejournal.com]

I think your comments win this thread. :D

[replicantangel.livejournal.com]

Thanks! I feared I was totally failing with the clarity thing. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Isolated examples of violence do not change the fact that domesticated animals are totally and entirely dependent on humans for their very existence and survival.

[(Anonymous)]

Look up Junko Furuta or Sylvia Likens to see how ridiculous your statements here are.

[replicantangel.livejournal.com]

Oh good grief. I think you're being deliberately obtuse, but fine. I'll play along.

I actually am familiar with the cases. Children of any age can do horrible and horrifying things to other humans. When did I say that they weren't? But I was talking about mass perception here, and the greater public views children as innocent. And for the most part, children *are* innocent. They lack the guile and complex thought processes to fully understand and adhere themselves to such atrocities. When children grow to become teenagers and young adults (as so many of the perpetrators in those cases are, rather than in that 'age of innocence'), they develop that cunning.

That's not to say that younger children are incapable of cruelty, abuse or worse. They most definitely are. But a child who maliciously kills a neighborhood girl is probably suffering from some sort of sociopathy - a lack of compassion that most of the world (at any age) has, and which that child will never develop - or some other disorder. Or they completely lack the comprehension of what they're doing, which is why most courts in the world will not put a child to death, even for gruesome murder.

But all of that aside, the idea that just because some children are capable of these things means that children as a whole have any power in an abusive relationship? *That* is a ridiculous implication. If it's not what you meant, I apologize, but that's my impression. A few, murderous children do not make up for those thousands upon thousands that suffer - quite powerlessly - at the hands of their abusers.