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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-01-16 07:32 pm

[ SECRET POST #1840 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1840 ⌋


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[identity profile] selonbrody.livejournal.com 2012-01-17 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
So basically it's a 'no' to pedos and bullies and 'yes' to incest? Ugh, no. Just stop.

[identity profile] making-excuses.livejournal.com 2012-01-17 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
I was all with the secret maker all until the end, and I just went, incest! Really? You are not okay with him having sex with two people he at least on some level wants to do it with and you want him to get it on with his straight brother?

(Anonymous) 2012-01-17 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
MTE. And I sometimes read and enjoy incest fic (though not this pairing), and I would never justify it as anything other than a kink.

Kash isn't a pedo, anyway. The age of consent in Illinois is 17 and Ian is 16 so it's technically illegal, but "pedophilia" means sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children, not having sex with a post-pubescent teenager. The fact that he's cheating on his wife is a lot ickier than the fact that Ian's 16.

[identity profile] making-excuses.livejournal.com 2012-01-17 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
Oh I have been seen to enjoy the odd Sherlock/Mycroft fic so no judging from my side!

It just blows my mind that the age of consent is higher than 16, I just don't get it... (I guess different countries different perspectives) But Kash will never be a pedo, a rat bastard yes, but not a pedo...

(Anonymous) 2012-01-17 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
NGL, I enjoy Sherlock/Mycroft. It's so deliciously twisted.

Illinois doesn't officially have a Romeo and Juliet clause, but it de facto has one (it's a different crime if you're more than 5 years older than the minor, and it's really not enforced if you're within five years of age). I'm most comfortable with R&J laws; let 15 year olds have sex with people near their age, but keep the 50 year olds away from them. I don't trust anyone past their early 20s who wants to have sex with a minor, and the power dynamic is so skewed. In the case of Kash there's a "reason" for it in the storyline, but still... more not-okay than okay, and he should really know better.

[identity profile] making-excuses.livejournal.com 2012-01-17 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed, trow John and/or Lestrade into the mix and you get all the twistedness one will ever need... (and again I revealed waay to much about myself...)

I'll just assume I understand you correctly (In Norway it is you turn 16 you are legal and as both parties are okay with it the law don't care about the age difference) So what you are saying is that it is legal for a 14 and 19 year old to have sex? But not for a 17 and 22 year old?

Yeah I just don't like Kash, but I am quite sure Ian went into the relationship with his own free will...

(Anonymous) 2012-01-17 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
"Illinois

The age of consent in Illinois is 17. It is also illegal for a person to commit sexual acts on a person under the age of 18 if he/she has a position of authority or trust over the victim.

(720 ILCS 5/12-15) Sec. 12-15. Criminal sexual abuse. ...(c) The accused commits criminal sexual abuse if he or she commits an act of sexual penetration or sexual conduct with a victim who was at least 13 years of age but under 17 years of age and the accused was less than 5 years older than the victim.

Sec. 12-16. Aggravated Criminal Sexual Abuse. ...(d) The accused commits aggravated criminal sexual abuse if he or she commits an act of sexual penetration or sexual conduct with a victim who was at least 13 years of age but under 17 years of age and the accused was at least 5 years older than the victim.
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A 17 and a 22 year old is fine. It's completely legal. 14 and 19 would still be illegal but the charges would be lowered because they are both minors; only the 19 year old would be charged.

[identity profile] making-excuses.livejournal.com 2012-01-17 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
Ah I see, it just confuses me because I grew up with 16 is the age of consent, before then it is illegal, and if one of the parties are over 16 he will be charged with sex with a minor, and that's it.

[identity profile] flipthefrog.livejournal.com 2012-01-17 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
Uh. I'm pretty sure that the legal definition of "minor" in the US is "under the age of 18," so the hypothetical 19-year-old would be in a shitload of trouble.

edit: looked it up, with the exceptions of Pennsylvania (21), Nebraska (19), and Alabama (19), the age of majority in the US is 18, and federal law defines it as such in the legislation I could find. This is different from the age of consent, which is 16-18 depending on state, and most states do have an age gap clause intended to protect minors who are in established relationships before one of them reaches the age of consent. The span of these clauses seem to vary quite a bit, though, and are available on Wikipedia if you really need to know.
Edited 2012-01-17 09:19 (UTC)

[identity profile] valenciapilgrim.livejournal.com 2012-01-17 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
I saw some of the early episodes of this show but then had to cancel my Showtime. I'm curious, what was Kash's "reason" you mention here?

I didn't even really think about the huge age difference between the two of them (and the possible ick-factor and or legal issues) when I saw the show, which surprises me now that I think of it. I think I was distracted by how hot the older guy is, and the really funny line where his wife comes in and says something about his mother being delusional because she thinks the CIA is stealing their trash, and the kid was like "Didn't that happen though?"

Anyway, I'm not going to lose too much sleep worrying about the morality of their relationship, but that kid does look *very* young. Some 16 year-olds look like adults, but that kid...does not. So I could see how some could be squicked.