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[ SECRET POST #1844 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1844 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02. [broken]

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[Venture Bros]

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[Benedict Cumberbatch]

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[Dungeons of Dredmor]

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[One Direction]

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[ASoIaF]

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[That Guy With The Glasses]

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[The Black Jewels Series]

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[Les Miserables]

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[Doug Walker/That Guy With The Glasses]

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[Tripping Over You]

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[Supernatural]

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[Todd Klein]

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[Bakuman]

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[Dragon Age 2]

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[VVVVVV]

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[Sherlock Holmes]

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[House M.D]

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[Charmed]

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[Farscape]

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[Miss A and Wonder Girls]

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[Pepsi Man]

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[the hunger games / lady gaga]

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[Friends]

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[Star Trek: TNG]

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[Anno 1790]

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[Happy Endings]

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[Doctor Who]

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[The Muppets 2011]

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[Hetalia]

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[Dune]

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[Bravestarr]

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[Dreamstone]

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39. [SPOILERS for Pottermore]

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40. [SPOILERS for something not specified]

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41. [SPOILERS for Berserk]

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[ ----- TRIGGERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]

42. [TRIGGER WARNING for incest, shota]

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43. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

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44. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

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45. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

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46. [TRIGGER WARNING for suicide]

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47. [TRIGGER WARNING for dub-con, domestic abuse, BDSM]

[House]

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Notes:

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Heterosexuality usually wins out in the end - best not to get your hopes up, chin chin!

Usually not with CLAMP, though, I thought. >>;

Only now that I think about it, Angelic Layer, Magic Knights Rayearth, Syaron and Sakura ~~until CLAMP fucked them up~~, Chobits, Suki, Wish (if you see it like that)... On second thought, Anon, yeah, I agree a little. :|

DA, but -- Wait, what did Clamp do to Sayron and Sakura?

Spoilers for Tsubasa and xXxHolic and Cardcaptor.

in Tsubasa the Syaoran we are with for most of the story is the clone of original Tsubasa Syaoran.

There is also a clone of Tsubasa!Sakura... Somehow. Clone!Syaoran and Clone!Sakura grow up as normal humans and have a child... who is the Syaoron that Clone!Syaoran was cloned from, or the Original Tsubasa Syaoran.

I think it's implied that Sakura and Syaoron are actually clonies parents? But I'm not really sure? I just know that there's a scene where a Sakura has the clow wand thingy and is doing stuff with it and it's all very confusing and awkward, but the point it (if Im' remembering it correctly, which I might not be- it's a very confusion manga IMO), that Sakura and Syaoron had a shitty life after the end of Card Captors, and that just makes me sad. ;_;

Edited 2012-01-21 02:25 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Tsubasa implies nothing of the sort in regards to CCS Syaoran and Sakura. Grown-up clone Sakura mentions she got the Clow wand in a dream where she met a version of herself "from another world" -- specifically implying that the clones are just another alternate universe version of the CCS characters. CCS Sakura met Clone Sakura in a dream, gifted her the star wand and gave her some words of encouragement. The little we see of CCS Sakura, she says the cards will still be with her even without the wand and says her "everything will be all right" spell with a big smile on her face, which I think pretty clearly means that the TRC and CCS characters are in different universes, and CCS Sakura is still happy and fine in her own universe.

Oh.

Huh.

I got really confused then, thanks for the heads up! ♥

dude, none of CLAMPs pairings work out the way you want them. It's not just the slashy ones.

Except it's Kohane and Doumeki we're talking about here. Both were in love with Watanuki and after giving up hope on him, decided to do the convenient thing (get married, have kids together so the kids can start looking after Watanuki after all Watanuki's friends have passed away). It's not only depressing, it's kinda unhealthy IMO.

It had nothing to do with "heterosexuality winning".

Sure it did. He married a woman, didn't he?

da

Really?

So if I marry someone of the opposite sex and have a child, it instantly makes me straight?
K, nice to know. Maybe my parents will love me again...
Oh wait, you mean that when a gay person marries someone of the opposite sex, heterosexuality wins a round? Cuz that gay person is on the winning side now? But, uh, wouldn't that imply that that person has turned into someone who's 100% straight and lost all his gayness? Cuz that didn't happen.

I know you're trolling and all but excuse me while I puke

Oh wait, you mean that when a gay person marries someone of the opposite sex, heterosexuality wins a round?

Absolutely. Of course it does - what's your problem with logic?

sa

The point, you missed it;
"heterosexuality wins a round" implies that the gay person turns straight and the audience doesn't know to think otherwise. But you can't turn straight/bi/gay just because you want to, ergo, "heterosexuality wins" is false. Sure, you can live on the down low or be bisexual or whatever, but that hardly makes one straight.

The heterosexual social schema is what's on display - it doesn't matter about down low when the face presented to the world is just another heterosexual couple.

Heterosexuality may not have won, but an argument that *heteronormality* won can most certainly be made.

Marrying someone of the opposite sex will not turn a homosexual person straight, but the idea of a homosexual person giving up the opportunity to be in a domestic partnership with someone they are sexually attracted to can be seen as a little sad. It can also be seen as giving into the pressure to "act straight" like their sexuality is something to be covered up and lied about.

Of course, Doumeki couple be bisexual. I don't recall anything that precluded that orientation.

To continue, the heterosexual paradigm comes out on top again. It has successfully oppressed the alternative.

It has successfully oppressed the alternative.

Except the point in the manga was never homosexuality vs heterosexuality.

well then why all the whining then? You mean it wasn't a story about two men that ended up between a man and a woman?

DA, but the story didn't end up about a man and a woman (although you can argue that it was: between Watanuki and Yuuko but it wasn't romantic really). Doumeki isn't the main character. The one who made Doumeki and Watanuki's relationship impossible was Watanuki himself for becoming semi-immortal and unable to leave the shop. Not Kohane.

Doumeki and Kohane remind me a lot of Saya from X/1999 devoting their life and family to the one they love. It's obvious that their marriage is mostly likely a marriage of convenience and companionship rather than a marriage of geninue love especially they can't be with the one they love.

+1

Also: Kohane and Doumeki never stopped loving Watanuki.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-01-22 07:46 (UTC) - Expand

Hmm, how should I explain this...
No. No it wasn't. The story, somehow, never ended. You need to look deeper.

Just because it wasn't deliberately set up to be homosexuality vs. heterosexuality doesn't mean that there cannot be unfortunate implications in a work.

sa

I never said there can't be unfortunate implications at work.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-01-21 05:46 (UTC) - Expand

da

Certainly, some works have unfortunate implications like the ones you mention but in this case...well, it's CLAMP for God's sake. This is just how they roll and you have to like or lump it. Whether you're rooting for a het or a yaoi couple, you're probably going to get fucked over one way or another by them.

I think we're overreaching here. For a UI to occur, there has to be choices. If Watanuki was mortal and wasn't constrained at the shop, then it would be an UI or if he chose either Hiwamari or Kohane.

People are also forgetting that Kohane and Hiwamari also lost too. No one got to be with Watanuki because they CAN'T.