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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-03-14 06:56 pm

[ SECRET POST #1898 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1898 āŒ‹


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[identity profile] fateofshadow.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Me too~!

And find a way into Narnia (and start a revolt, seriously, why do animals need human monarchs? It's racisist, colonical griffin dung), run The Labyrinth (not for Bowie!Jareth, funnily enough, I juat want to know if I could beat it) and become a magical ninja (because, dude, magical ninja). ;___;

(Anonymous) 2012-03-14 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Better question. Why do they need monarchs? Why not an council, or senate, or elected leader? That way it's not all based on who you're related too!

[identity profile] fateofshadow.livejournal.com 2012-03-15 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Theocracy~ >:3

[identity profile] insanenoodlyguy.livejournal.com 2012-03-15 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
the godlion will smite you for your Blasphemy. Only one king, the king of kings!

[identity profile] ginpenguin.livejournal.com 2012-03-15 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
The Lion, the Witch
and the Wardrobe

C.S. LEWIS: Finally, a utopia ruled by children and populated by talking animals.

THE WITCH: Hi, I’m a sexually mature woman of power and confidence.

C.S. LEWIS: Ah! Kill it, lion Jesus!

(Still my favorite summation of C.S Lewis' most famous work >.>)

[identity profile] singeaddams.livejournal.com 2012-03-15 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
And now it's my favorite. Thank you!
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[identity profile] spicandspan89.livejournal.com 2012-03-15 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
lol this is brilliant. "Lion Jesus." Hee.
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[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2012-03-15 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
EXCELLENT.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-15 09:39 am (UTC)(link)
So, the animals have their own religion and culture, which differ from your own, and want a monarch, but you would launch an outsider's coup in their country because they don't know what they should really want, and you think their religion and culture is stupid? You would force them to accept your own system of govenment, rather than their native system? Because who would you be revolting against? The talking animals are the ones who wanted the human children as their monarchs.

Yeah, I'm certainly seeing racism and colonialism here.

[identity profile] marshwiggledyke.livejournal.com 2012-03-15 09:58 am (UTC)(link)
Only after being brainwashed into thinking a cabbie and his wife would make good leaders, and after years and years of a tyrannical dictatorship making ANYTHING look good. Even the return of the asshat lion diety who instated humans as natural rulers of Narnia.

Possibly they intended the children to act as figureheads to placate Aslan. Go off on hunting parties and stringing along interested parties for royal marriages, kids, we'll just run the country.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-15 11:28 am (UTC)(link)
So, racism and colonialism are okay if you're sure that the natives are just "brainwashed" into having their existing culture and religion?

Seriously, maybe you've never had much exposure to actual colonial arguments and literature? I grew up surrounded by children's books about the progress and advances made through the British Empire (that's what happens if most of your books are bought cheap secondhand in the mid-20th century in England), and your perspective on the native Narnians is pretty exactly the point-of-view those stories had of the natives in the Empire.

Lewis is not the one mocking the religion and culture of the native people, while proposing to stamp it out and replace it with his own, all for their own good.

[identity profile] marshwiggledyke.livejournal.com 2012-03-15 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I was being flippant, and pointing out that the system was skewed against Talking Animals from the very start. Aslan trains them to recognise human beings as inevitable leaders. They've only just been formed- how can they possibly argue, or be expected to HAVE their own culture or understanding of religion? Their sentience is literally two minutes old.

Believe me, I grew up around a ton of Imperialist-influenced kid's books myself- most of them being hand-me-downs from my mother. Mocking their Imperialist streak now is just my approach to the whole ridiculous concept.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-15 12:31 pm (UTC)(link)
1) I did not say I would be leading the revolt, getting the ball rolling is not the same thing. 2) If you can't see the blatant British colonial sentiment (all the children are white, English school children of upper-lower or middle class and the (human) bad guys just so happen to be a barbaric race of dark-skinned interlopers decended from Travellers who have a Pagan system of worship opposed to the not-so-subtley-Christian system of Aslan/his father over the sea and all the other subtext that the books contain) then I don't think you read the books at all. 3) The native Narnians didn't need the children in the books when something bad happened- they needed leadership, a central system of government, council, anything but the disconnected every-group-for-themselves mentality. It was only for the sake of plot that the leadership and subsequent government came from school kids. Why didn't a band of talking mice, like Reepicheep, sneak into the White Witch's bedroom (she has to sleep and don't tell me that they wouldn't be able to avoid the wolves by carving an opening in the freaking ice that makes up the entire ceiling), stab her eyes out and end the whole thing there and then? Because the books had a rather out-dated agenda of white, colonial supremacy and it's a kids book so everything's done on a battlefield instead of through more sensible, underhanded means.

And finally I do NOT think that their religion and culture are stupid but the fact that the separate groups never work together because they insist on having monarchs with very short shelf lives govern them IS stupid. Everything fell apart after the Pevensies left Narnia, they waited around for their kings and queens to come back instead of holding elections, setting up a council, etc. If you get conquered, especially more than once then you have to look for the reason why. The reason is they expect someone else to save them.

[identity profile] fateofshadow.livejournal.com 2012-03-15 12:35 pm (UTC)(link)
This was fateofshadow, btw, for some reason I can't log in properly. If I have an opinion I don't go anon for it.

[identity profile] marshwiggledyke.livejournal.com 2012-03-15 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
A Reepicheep-organized assassination would be badass.

Too bad he wasn't alive during the years of the White Witch, with the dilated timeline. Although he might well have been statued for his insubordination. Hmm.

If you get conquered, especially more than once then you have to look for the reason why. The reason is they expect someone else to save them.


Unless you don't have natural borders, but as The Horse's Boy proves, Narnia has them. But exactly- the Talking Animals have helpless victim mentality, which Aslan set up in the first place by kinging a random cabbie at the very beginning just because he was human.
Edited 2012-03-15 19:18 (UTC)

[identity profile] fateofshadow.livejournal.com 2012-03-16 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
I need an AU fic of this right the hell NAOW. *___* Pity there's too much time between Aslan unfreezing people and Caspian the 10th so unless Reepicheep was born in another time then... oh, reincarnation fic. Problem solved. :D