[ SECRET POST #1901 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1901 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get that, too. I'm not white, but I'm straight, and I try to promote gay rights. I'll be the first to admit that I don't know anything about being gay, but I thought I can provide thoughts from the side that people are trying to convince, so it'll be easier for both sides of the argument to understand and accept each other. Instead, I always get flooded by comments about how I shouldn't be talking for either side. Kind of gave up after that. People prefer fighting their own fights, I guess.

[(Anonymous)]

*gay rights, lesbian rights, LGBT rights, sexual freedom, whichever term you prefer. just so people don't nitpick on that. always managing to use the wrong term is also a problem of mine.

[(Anonymous)]

People prefer fighting their own fights, I guess.
Yes, we do. And seriously, not to be rude, but since you have no perspective on the minority side of this issue and we already know everything there is to know about the majority side, what input might you be able to provide on this issue?

[(Anonymous)]

DA. How exactly do you know everything about the "majority" if you're not a part of it? There is logic fail here.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Because of course, women got the vote all on their own in the U.S. in 1920. Men didn't have to approve that amendment at all.

[(Anonymous)]

this.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I mean, as a feminist, I can understand the supposed intent of the comment, I guess - it's asking people in more privileged positions not to think they know more about what the marginalized are going through, or take over the fight for them. But there's also recognizing that as a minority, in order to secure equal rights and treatment, you sort of need the support of enough of the majority population to gain them. That doesn't mean you have to pander to the majority, but you could, you know, recognize the ones who are actually trying to help and not snap at them for it.

[jak-frostty.livejournal.com]

iawtc!

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

Exactly. Sometimes allies are obnoxious... but sometimes people go out of their fucking way to find something wrong with what an ally said, and that's just absurd to me.

[tinuelena.livejournal.com]

THIS.

[(Anonymous)]

Bully for you. Go win those fights w/o straight allies. Oh, wait. You can't. You're in the minority and people who are in the minority position don't win fights b/c the numbers are against them. IOW, there's a hell of a lot more straight people around than QUILTBAG members.

And if the straight people care don't care about minority rights, guess what, they don't exist--legislation doesn't get passed by--guess who?--straight people mainly.

So, go ahead, and alienate those straight allies of yours. It's a totally winning strategy. Not.

[(Anonymous)]

IMO there's a difference between talking for someone and talking with them.
Try the latter. It's much appreciated. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Really? You don't say. Wow. I never would've guessed that.

The next time people around me are being racist, homophobic, etc. I won't presume to speak for QUILTBAG members or POC. That would be speaking up for the members in those groups and not talking with the members of those groups.

Well, the more you know.

[(Anonymous)]

Problem with things like what happened here, are the allies behave as if they're speaking for the group as a member of said group. For example, part of what's upsetting people specifically here is the way he basically comes off saying 'You should totally come out of the closet! *I* don't care, and I say/think no one cares - so you're jobs won't be at risk, you won't be harassed, ect."

Problem is that, as someone whose straight, he's not really in the best position to know who does/does not care, or what the consequences would be...So he shouldn't be speaking as if he does.

[darkmanifest.livejournal.com]

My issues with this comment are myriad. A) If you're in favor of LGBT rights, then you don't share the thoughts of the people who are against them, which I would think would be a good thing. B) Trying to promote the movement is not the same as speaking for the movement. I find it hard to believe anybody got mad at you for simply getting the word out about statements and essays by members of the LGBT community. C) Support LGBT rights because it's right, not because it's fun. Because no, it's not fun, you'll get outright hostility for doing it at all or doing it wrong. If it's not worth the trouble to you, fine, fair enough. But this comment makes it seem like you were expecting gratitude or something.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe they weren't expecting gratitude, but simply to not be attacked. You wouldn't insult a child who thought he was helping you do some chore while actually making more work for you... you'd (maybe) just put up with it for their sake, but more likely you'd suggest something else they do or correct them. Nicely, because you know they were just trying to help as best they knew how and they didn't know any better.