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fandomsecrets2012-03-30 06:36 pm
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⌈ Secret Post #1914 ⌋
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Anyways. Why did he shake Gwen? I'm guessing this happened in s4 since that's the only season that I've missed episodes from.
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He saw her kissing Lancelot the night before they were supposed to get married. Lancelot was under Morgana's control and Gwen was under a love spell (also Morgana's), but Arthur didn't know that.
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If I saw my fiance making out with a trusted friend the night before our wedding I'd hit him. In the groin. With a sledgehammer. Repeatedly. And I'll probably be singing my own personal version of the "Cell Block Tango" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4_H65XoykY) (Chicago) while doing it, too.
Yeah.
Bad Rei is bad.
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-30 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
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Bear in mind that this is a trusted friend who had just effectively come back from the dead. Having your ex come back from the dead the night before your wedding would mess your head up, love spell or no love spell.
Not saying Arthur had no right to be angry, just that his reaction (exiling Gwen from Camelot on pain of death) was srsly excessive.
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No excuse. Cheating is still cheating. It would have been one thing if they'd just hugged (had they NOT been enchanted, that is), but actual making out? Had I been in Arthur's shoes I would have been pissed, and no excuse would have been enough to lessen the feeling of betrayal regardless how understanding I'd try to be.
I wouldn't have reacted well either, all things considered.
And I also think him exiling Gwen was understandable. Most Kings would have had her executed (and most would have expected her to be executed). Exiling her for such a slight/betrayal was rather merciful of him, IMHO.
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Arthur exiling Gwen was not understandable. Not wanting to marry Gwen would been understandable. Stripping her of her home, her friends, her livelihood, and sending out to fend for herself in a society that had been shown in the past to be extremely dangerous to women (and srsly, she very nearly got raped a few episodes later - I am not making this shit up) was not understandble. That he lived in a society where it is apparently usual to execute for adultery (which was not the norm in medieval Britain, as far as I was able to ascertain) is not really an excuse.
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Either way, it doesn't really matter what we consider to be cheating or not since, in that time, making out with another man the night before you're due to wed another would have been the equivalent of sleeping with someone these days. At least, that's the impression I've gleened from all the medieval-era stuff I've read over the years.
And yes, actually, it is understandable. For Arthur, who was born royalty and raised to be a King (which was the near equivalent of a god), it would have been completely out of character and generally nonsensical for him to give her a slap on the wrist and have her go her merry way. Gwen not only betrayed his trust, but she practically betrayed the crown. He could have easily had her executed-- which most people would have expected (hell, would have demanded if they'd known) but he did not. He made her leave his city which, yeah, was a pretty shitty thing to do, but not at all unexpected when considering his title and his personality.
Arthur is a complete anomaly. Most kings in that era would have been like Uther (were expected to be like Uther) and what do you think Uther would have done had it been him in Arthur's shoes? He would have probably had her executed on principal alone. Exile, which was generally perceived to be a "mercy" to those who went against the crown, would have been him being lenient.
I'm not denying that it was a crappy move for Gwen, but I also don't see how it's not so completely understandable for a King Arthur who hasn't quite yet reached his legendary ideal.
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Exactly. I think it was quite merciful on his part (shitty, but merciful). Any other king would have had her head (or, rather, had her burned at the stake (as a woman)) for the blatant disrespect and betrayal.
Actually, wasn't Gwen and Lancelot's actions considered treasonous? One of the four basic acts of treason (English law) is: "if a man do violate the king's companion, or the king's eldest daughter unmarried, or the wife of the king's eldest son and heir...".
So yeah. If what Gwen and Lancelot did actually did fall under treason, Gwen got off REALLY lightly.
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-31 10:31 am (UTC)(link)no subject
I saw the scene, actually, and caught a few of the following eps on TV. Not that it matters. Regardless of whether or not I'm caught up doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on an issue I know the facts of. But you, as the incredible wise person you are, positively must let me know how I'm oh-so-wrong and misguided.
I see a lot of shit coming out of your mouth (fingers?) but absolutely nothing to back it up. Next time why not try to refrain from being a fucking stupid bitch and say what you found wrong with my argument instead of throwing petty insults and nonsensical accusations.
Ugh, why I allow myself to get worked up by Internet trolls, I have no idea.
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-31 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)Calling someone a bitch while whining about petty insults? Classy and not at all hypocritical, eh?
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-31 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)I CALL TROLL...!
~~This is why I stopped participating in F-S, btfw~~
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