[ SECRET POST #1925 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1925 ⌋

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Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

i was asking if you believed what you said, not if you were religious, my bad.

but you didn't say they'd pick god over sex though. you said MOST RELIGIOUS PEOPLE would pick god over EVERYTHING ELSE IN THEIR LIVES. and that means family, loved ones, principles, etc etc. religion goes far, but not that far and especially not for MOST RELIGIOUS PEOPLE dude wtf

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[ascend.livejournal.com]

ok if god came down RIGHT NOW and was like what up yall i want you to come with me and leave all this shit behind

theyre gonna pick god i'm js

like do you understand what religion is and why people have it like the whole eternal salvation having a place next to god's throne etc because that is ETERNITY vs temporary worldly shit that are talking about

above all, the religious believe/understand that god is wholly good/just and stuff so he would always be the best choice, he's not gonna be like p.s. fuck your family lol

so really by picking their god theyre picking everything they could ever want or need, so like um yeah i totally believe the vast majority of religious people would pick god over this earth

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[(Anonymous)]

that doesn't fly. you're changing the scenario now by having god coming down in person and being like whaddup homies and leaving the entire original argument behind. if god proved himself to be real, of course everyone would go because it would cease to be a matter of faith or religion at all and be a matter of fact. that's not what we're talking about though, and currently religious people do not know for a fact that this will happen, and something like that happening would change the entire concept of "religion" to begin with, invalidating the entire argument

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[ascend.livejournal.com]

does it make a difference? not to the religious who already believe he's real, i mean come on lmao

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[(Anonymous)]

it does, actually. religion is built around faith, which is defined as belief in something you don't know for sure. christian people don't know, but they believe and have faith, thats the whole point. think of the story of the town that's praying for rain, and brings their objects of faith, and the little child who brings an umbrella.

if god comes down and proves he's real and is all sup bros, that changes everything about faith

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[ascend.livejournal.com]

maybe it changes everything about faith, but it changes nothing about whether or not religious people believe in him. if they believe in him either way then the scenario still stands but ok for your sake just change the act of god physically coming down to god appearing in a ~vision

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[(Anonymous)]

that's still twisting the argument. a vision is still an act that would "prove" to many people that something exists, and the "fact" that they had a vision still remains.

to recap, what the original debate was about was religious people currently, now, without any outside forces acting on them, being asked to choose between their religion and "everything else in their lives." you say "almost everyone" would pick their religion and i doubted that greatly and laughed some. there we go

agree to disagree?

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[ascend.livejournal.com]

fuck ok so then they just read the bible and they believe all the shit and then asked themselves, would i pick god over all these worldly things????

because yeah they are gonna choose god ok

but sure if you think they wouldnt then thats cool too idrc tbh lol

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[(Anonymous)]

DA

Religious people choose worldly things over their god all the time, is what the ayrt is saying. They even struggle with doubt.

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[(Anonymous)]

"he's not gonna be like p.s. fuck your family lol"

Er, there are instances in the Bible of God doing exactly this...

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[ascend.livejournal.com]

not without actual reason

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[(Anonymous)]

Does making bets with the devil count as an actual reason?

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[ascend.livejournal.com]

if they gave themselves to lucifer then lol sucks for them buuut

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[(Anonymous)]

No, I mean the bets god made with the devil that people would still worship him even if he destroyed their lives. I would hesitate to call that a reason. It certainly wasn't the human's fault that their god has a serious gambling problem.

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[fenm.livejournal.com]

You're referring to the story of Job.

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[ascend.livejournal.com]

are you talking about job's fiasco because from what i understood of that, god made the "bet" with satan simply to use him to bless job in the first place. he used job as a means by which he could send a message to satan, and job was happier for it.

a lot of awful shit happens in the world but god never promised we would be free of worldly tragedies.

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[(Anonymous)]

DA

Yipes. That sounds like a big justification for abusive relationships there.

The Job story doesn't seem to care about twisting things to make sure God's being a good guy when he's allowing Job to be tormented to win the bet with Satan.

I know a lot of people like the idea that "God has a reason" for there being terrible tragedies in the world, but if you don't know what the reason is and can't imagine a single one that would make a tragedy necessary, it's the same as having no reason. It's not supposed to make sense yadda yadda.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, what happens is that god likes to make points to the devil by using his people as meat puppets and his people are always happier in the end because it's a fictional story that's been re-translated many times and was originally written (though not actually written, more like passed around orally for maximum customization) to help control people who didn't understand their world.

In the story of Job god tells satan that he thinks he can take everything from Job and that Job will still worship him. He picks Job because Job has been particularly good to him, and prayed to him most fiercely. Satan says that that is totally stupid and that Job only worships god because god treats him well. Then, god and satan work together to kill Job's children, destroy his livelihood and his health, and essentially reduce him to a husk of a human being with nothing to live for. Eventually Job is like "Why am I even alive, God?" and god is like "Dude, you're alive because I say so now suck it up and deal."

And then Job gets new kids who are way better than the old ones.

I actually used to be pretty religious in sort of an odd way. I stopped believing in god when I developed logical thinking skills but I lived in a household where I had to pretend in order to be loved, so I've read the bible many times searching for meaning in my life. There's nothing to suck the hope out of you quite like the actual not-for-kids bible.

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[(Anonymous)]

DA

Job's torture was pretty fucking unnecessary.

I've also always been really suspicious about God hardening Pharaoh's heart to fuck up Moses's mission to free his people THAT GOD GAVE HIM TO ACCOMPLISH- I mean, did God want to save his chosen people or didn't he?

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[ascend.livejournal.com]

lol it always amuses me when people try to understand god and get all pissed when they think smth he did was ~out of line

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[(Anonymous)]

DA

Why is it amusing for them to read a story and judge the actions of a character in it? I get that you're on the "He's God and therefore anything he does is good even if it doesn't conform to any definition of the word" but that doesn't make it stupid for them to judge the story for themselves using actual morality. Especially when people like the OP's friend are trying to get them to base their life on it because God is the definition of love and good. Is it wrong for them to actually check the Bible out? That's part of what religious people do too.

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[ascend.livejournal.com]

>why is it amusing

because it's people judging god and that's funny

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[not-quite-anon.livejournal.com]

It amuses me when people cheerfully accept the idea of a God who doesn't even attempt to adhere to the same moral standards he imposes on his creations, basically because he's bigger than we are. Might makes right, that's a great reason to want to spend eternity with someone.

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[ascend.livejournal.com]

a wild person-who-doesnt-get-it appears

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[(Anonymous)]

In the old testament a LOT of people get punished due to the actions of someone else.

Hell, it was Passover last Friday and part of the Seder explicitly states that it was part of God's plan that the Jewish people would dwell in Egypt and be enslaved for 400 years before being freed. Sucks to be someone born part way through those 400 years.