[ SECRET POST #1925 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1925 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 070 secrets from Secret Submission Post #275.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat (same text, different image) ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, anon, I feel your pain. WHY does bi always translate down the line the least accepted orientation on TV/in fandom? Why aren't there more bi ladies/dudes on TV and/or in movies?

But that just runs into my issues with fandom (and society, to a similar degree) and it's obsession with "omg, likes guys/girls, must be gay! and nothing else! always gay! ALWAYS SLASH! straight/bi/more than meets the eye is NOT an option" which, are issues, lol.

[amethyst-rei.livejournal.com]

I read a lot of slash-fic where one, if not both, of the characters in the relationship are bi. Just sayin'.

[(Anonymous)]

But why does it require reading slash fic? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy slash, but I have issues with fandom turning straight characters bi/gay and bi characters gay with the intention of making slash pairings(because those are the most prevalent) workable for their fic.

Like I said, I enjoy slash, and I enjoy well-written stories exploring a character's sexuality, but so many slash fics try to make it into a point or an issue to pound home, that it looses a lot of the appeal for me.

[(Anonymous)]

How does slashfic turn bi characters gay? This seriously confuses me. I've read slashfic in two fandoms with bisexual male characters, and the majority of fics keep them bisexual, just in a same sex relationship. Or does that count as turning them gay to you?

[(Anonymous)]

Also, when I say "making bi characters gay", I mean making canonically bi characters into gay i.e. only having ever liked boys, those women were nothing/experiments, what have you.

[(Anonymous)]

..Which canon bi characters?

They exist?

[(Anonymous)]

In this case, I'm actual more thinking of the scenario mentioned by the op. I agree that there really aren't many bi characters in canon.

[rivulet027.livejournal.com]

All of Torchwood?

[agnes-bean.livejournal.com]

Nolan Ross on Revenge! [/drive by Revenge pimping]

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't read a lot of slash fic that erased the bisexuality of a character but I do agree that it's a problem in our society. As a bisexual woman, it's very hard to explain to people that while I'm attracted to women more often and with more intensity than I am to men, it does not mean that I'm 100% gay. I am bisexual and I have been attracted to men in the past. However, that also doesn't mean that I can't identify as lesbian/gay, as well. I'm all of the above! I'm bisexual, I'm a lesbian and I'm gay. I shouldn't have to spell that out to people or explain my reasoning behind identifying as all three. And yet, I do.

[(Anonymous)]

I identify as straight, but I have been attracted to women before. More than once. But I'm primarily attracted to men, so I just go with straight, just to avoid dealing with all the drama that arises from saying you're bi(and that's not even taking into account where I live and the opinions of people around me when it comes to LGBT issues). You have my utmost respect for actually trying to explain it to the uneducated masses.
Life's more complicated than any ONE classification, and neither TV/film or fandom navigate those waters with any level of success (so far).

[(Anonymous)]

There are a handful of shows that deal with sexual fluidity, for lack of a better team, fairly well...Torchwood, Lost Girl, and Spartacus all spring to mind...but I agree that it's rare. And that really sucks because it's much easier to explain something to someone when you can say 'well, look at Kalinda on The Good Wife' or 'Ianto's straight but he made an exception for Jack'. IDK why but people always seem to grasp the concept of something much easier if there's an example in the media you can point to.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not positive which fandom this is about, but I think I know, and if that's the case, it's definitely frustrating to see him constantly referred to as gay by everyone when he's obviously...not. I don't know that I'd call him bi (it's really complicated, which is actually pretty awesome, even if everyone refuses to acknowledge how complicated it is), but I definitely wouldn't call him gay just because he does seem to be pretty obviously in love with a woman. But as far as I know, the actor calls him gay just like everyone else does, although the way he describes him contradicts that. And although he's clearly Something Other Than 100% Gay to me, I've only seen I think two other people suggest that he's not actually (completely) gay.

But yeah, I don't get why bi/something more complicated is never an option. I'll disagree with the "straight is NOT an option" part, especially in society (though there may be some of that in fandom, at least in certain circles), but in general I'm annoyed that there are very few characters in anything that have an orientation more complicated than can be summed up in one commonly-used-and-understood-by-everyone word.

[(Anonymous)]

(it's really complicated, which is actually pretty awesome, even if everyone refuses to acknowledge how complicated it is)

EXACTLY. What makes it so interesting is that it's not a straight(lol) answer. It's more complicated than that. Real life is more complicated than straight or gay or bi.

I'll disagree with the "straight is NOT an option" part, especially in society (though there may be some of that in fandom, at least in certain circles)
tbh that part was meant to be about fandom, and a particular fandom I've been in especially(Supernatural).

[(Anonymous)]

EXACTLY. What makes it so interesting is that it's not a straight(lol) answer. It's more complicated than that. Real life is more complicated than straight or gay or bi.

Exactly. In this case (at least from my point of view) there's such a big difference between what's actually happening onscreen and what's being said in interviews/the media that I'm starting to think the writers just don't want to invite any more controversy than they're already getting from this character/storyline and just figure "eh, we'll say he's gay, it's close enough". Honestly, I'm just glad (and surprised) that his wife isn't getting a ton of people claiming she's interfering with the gayness. As far as I can tell most fans actually seem to love her character and them as a couple, but it's still a new and really small fandom so I figure if the show goes on long enough it'll happen eventually, unfortunately.

tbh that part was meant to be about fandom, and a particular fandom I've been in especially(Supernatural).

Ah, yes. OBVIOUSLY Sam never loved Jessica and being with her was just a way to distract himself from the fact that he wanted Dean's dick!

[youremyqueen.livejournal.com]

Can you tell me the fandom you're referring to, anon? I don't think I recognize it, but the way you're describing the relationship makes it sounds really interesting and is making me want to watch it!

[(Anonymous)]

anon from up there

The new show GCB. I don't know if it's what the OP was talking about or not, but it's the first thing I thought of when I read the secret.

The character is married to a woman, ostensibly to hide the fact that he's gay (they live in a very conservative/religious area) and although it seemed like a pretty straightforward marriage of convenience at first, it's gotten a lot more complicated since then. According to the actor his interest in men is only sexual and doesn't mean anything, and his relationship with his wife is far more important. Their relationship isn't at all conventional, but it's really interesting and they work really well together.They ended up having sex in the most recent episode but they're trying to have a baby so that may be the only reason.

I think it just comes down to how you look at it. I tend to think of being gay as being emotionally/romantically interested in the same sex rather than only sexually, and in that case this character doesn't fit. Like I said before, I don't know that I'd call him bi because I think it's more complicated than that, but to me he's definitely not 100% gay.

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

I've see more "I'm not straight, I just love him!" (which I HATEHATEHATE) but this could just be depending on fandom. I'm bi, but I'd rather see slash fic where the character made 100% gay than slash fic with two straight guys in love, though, of course, slash fic with characters as bi (if the character isn't canonically gay) would be best.