[ SECRET POST #1958 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1958 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I feel afraid drawing POC because I'm just really afraid of unintentionally drawing SOMETHING offensive. (when it comes to this anything will piss SOMEONE off from days lurking fandom)

I'm probably going to get jumped on and get "ohh you poor white person"

but it doesn't help when people get death threats from social justice warriors when mistakes happen... instead helping fix the problem and point out a mistake (as white people we will make mistakes when it comes to this)...SJW just take it way too far...

I approve of the cause but I HATE internet social justice. I bet you guys don't do shit in the real world to help either.

[(Anonymous)]

Fellow artist, I feel you nonnie.

[(Anonymous)]

wheres your art? come on lets see.

[(Anonymous)]

I think once some people start taking it to the point of making death threats, you've got a valid concern that doesn't warrant a "poor white person" response.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a writer and I honestly have no idea how to handle POC characters.

I can't just write them like anyone else because then I'll get accused of 'making them like white people'. I don't even know what that means? races are not homogenous groups with shared personalities and traits.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel you, anon.

[(Anonymous)]

I think any SJW who said something that blatantly racist would get called out themselves pretty much immediately so it's no excuse not to try!

[(Anonymous)]

No, no they wouldn't. Just like how in RL people from various races will be accused of 'acting white' if they behave a certain way, and that attitude does, sadly, seem to carry over.

[fuchsiascreams.livejournal.com]

I doubt it. I've seen a hundred examples of SJWs saying something that was at least as offensive as what they were trying to argue against, and other SJWs never point it out, let alone admit to their own mistakes. They seem to think they're above having to apologize because AFTER ALL, THEY'RE JUST ENFORCING JUSTICE, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FOR ACCIDENTALLY OFFENDING SOMEONE, EVEN IF THEY'RE YELLING AT SOMEONE ELSE FOR DOING THE SAME THING. THEY'RE MAKING UP FOR IT BY DRIVING BAD PEOPLE OFF THE INTERNET AND OUT OF FANDOMS AND SENDING THEM DEATH THREATS.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

OK so
I'm no expert - I'm white - but I've done a lot of reading on cultural appropriation and stuff and I know people from other countries and descendants of people from other countries and I've read books written by foreign and American PoC authors.

One thing that's worth differentiating, to me, is whether the PoC you're thinking of writing is in a culture similar to yours or in a culture different from yours, and if they're in a culture similar to yours whether they were (or their parents were) from a different culture before. For my example I'll assume you're a white non-immigrant American and go from there. An African American and a fourth generation Japanese American are probably going to be considerably culturally closer to you than an FOB Indian immigrant or Romani living in the UK. The hypothetical African American and Japanese American characters' experiences will be impacted by being PoC in the US and by the culture they grew up in, but overall you'd be less likely to make them seem unrealistic with your natural inclinations for writing characters because culturally all these characters are Americans and are shaped by American culture, so they'll be similar to white American characters you would write. Like, write a character and imagine casting them for a TV show or movie - what would have to change if you hired a PoC actor?
Doing research is usually best though, even just a little. The more the better, and the further away the culture is from your own/the character is from you the more you should research before feeling comfortable.

Try reading something like Mindy Kaling's autobiography if you're not sure what I'm talking about (I greatly enjoyed this book and it illustrates my point, so I picked that as an example, but if you've never seen The Office and aren't interested in NBC comedy you should probably pick something else). If I wrote Mindy Kaling as a character, for example, I feel confident I could write her because she's similar to my age and was raised in my culture, and she and I speak similarly and feel similarly about many things. She and I are both creative but lazy. I identified a lot with her struggles trying to get work after college. Her experiences at school and with friends were similar to mine. But I couldn't construct her experiences with her immigrant parents, which she also discusses in the book. Much of my understanding comes from hearing from her about it, very little from my own experience; it's not something I could spontaneously come up with. With research, I might be able to get enough sense of it for my purposes...but then, that's if I feel the need to examine that part of her. If I was just writing about her work life, it would be something helpful to understand her more fully, but she wouldn't be an enigma to me without my knowledge of her experiences with immigrant parents and Indian culture. It's a facet of her, but it's not her in entirety.

[fuchsiascreams.livejournal.com]

Does anybody else find it ironic that SJWs are so adamant that people of marginalized races, sexualities, disabilities, etc. should be treated equally (as they should be), but then attach SO much importance to writers giving them problems that are specific to their genders/sexualities/races? I honestly find that to be much more problematic and offensive than a writer writing a PoC as having generic problems that are not related to what race they are.

[(Anonymous)]

It's pure, distilled, racism....and it's so ironic that the SJWs can't see just how racist they really are.

...and don't even get me started on the whole 'privledge' crap.

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

The best way to avoid being offensive is to use a PoC as a reference/model for your character. Really, the best way to draw any person is to look at real human faces, but if you are specifically worried about PoC, it can be particularly helpful. This tutorial (http://glockart.livejournal.com/76525.html) by glockgal is great!

[darkmanifest.livejournal.com]

That is an amazing tutorial, thanks.

[republicanism.livejournal.com]

i think people on FS tend to inflate the SJW situation (although yeah, you're probably right, i think most of them don't do shit for social justice IRL)..
i don't know why you would be afraid of being internet-murdered just for drawing POC. seriously?
i am having a hard time caring about your feelings, is what this comment is trying to say

[(Anonymous)]

i don't know why you would be afraid of being internet-murdered just for drawing POC. seriously?

Because that happens? And keeps happening even after the artist has apologized and re-drawn the pic. There was a secret and a thread about that just a few days ago.

[fuchsiascreams.livejournal.com]

..I've seen people get severely harassed and bullied for months over the smallest of supposed infractions, something as simple as saying, "That movie was crazy!". I'm not sure how you can't see a problem with a person receiving death threats over their portrayal of a PoC in a picture. Bullying is bullying, whether it's IRL or on the Internet, and it hurts either way. It's not LESS painful just because it's words in a message instead of in person.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm an artiest here as well, and I'm also terrified of writing my POC characters. Not from any of my POC friends, no they've given me so much support, and information, but from Social Justice Warriors.

Or if I did, I would just get a pen name and hide my identity from the pubic if my works ever saw the light of day.

It's almost a bitter irony that some will be judged not by the content of our art, or our message, but solely by our race/gender/sexuality.