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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-05-13 03:49 pm

[ SECRET POST #1958 ]


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[identity profile] herosquad.livejournal.com 2012-05-14 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
To be honest I don't even know what cultural appropriate means anymore. Today somebody on Tumblr sent me an anon message calling me a hateful cultural-appropriating cunt because I said I missed being able to get fresh tortillas and good Mexican food when I lived in California, so that phrase has pretty much lost all meaning to me.

Is there an actual, concise definition? Or is it gray enough that you could technically argue that I WAS being racist by bemoaning the lack of good fish tacos in my neighborhood? I'm so confused you guys.

(Anonymous) 2012-05-14 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
wtf. SJW are such fucking hypocritical douchebags.

[identity profile] harpsi-fizz.livejournal.com 2012-05-14 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
I have no idea either. It almost feels like they (the people who say that) want every culture to be completely separate.

Pay them no mind, I say, and here's why I say it: it doesn't take much to tear someone down, but to offer alternatives shows thoughtfulness. I cannot imagine the thoughtful alternative to what that person said to you. Don't do This doesn't cut it. Every "Don't Do This" worth anything can be phrased in a productive way.

"Only eat ___ food."
"Call them ____, not Mexican."
"Give them a 100% tip if you have to eat there."
(Obviously I'm only using those as ridiculous examples to illustrate both points. The person who messaged you sounds like they were just having emotions at you, which sometimes happens on Tumblr)

[identity profile] megalomaniageek.livejournal.com 2012-05-14 05:40 am (UTC)(link)
I've read dozens of posts on Cultural Appropriation and I'm still not 100% clear on what it is and whether something is or isn't cultural appropriation, but the best definition I can think of is "commodification of culture," particularly in a way that is particularly disrespectful to that culture or takes something away from that culture.

Before I go on and get tl;dr on you I'll say this - I've never read enjoyment of food being called cultural appropriation, and I've at least once if not a few times seen food pointed out as specifically not cultural appropriation unless you're somehow being a big dick about it. That person who messaged you is a misogynist ass too, so I wouldn't lose too much sleep over their opinion.

For example, people wearing feathers meant to simulate the headdresses and hair decorations of Native Americans are taking cultural items - some of them sacred - and, without care for how those items are used in their original context, they are turned into kitsch and sold for a few dollars to wear because it looks cute. You've taken something cultural and turned it into a commodity.
Likewise, when a writer writes an alien society full of Japanese stereotypes, they're using a real world culture to spice things up because "ooh it's foreign."

A rule of thumb I've heard that I like is: If you met somebody you respected who comes from the culture you're wearing clothes from/writing about/wearing jewelry from/etc, would you feel embarrassed?

[identity profile] natural-blue-26.livejournal.com 2012-05-15 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Today somebody on Tumblr sent me an anon message calling me a hateful cultural-appropriating cunt because I said I missed being able to get fresh tortillas and good Mexican food when I lived in California, so that phrase has pretty much lost all meaning to me.

What. Because appreciating another culture's ethnic foods oppresses them somehow, instead of boosting the economy in that restaurant/neighborhood/etc? Just when you think people can't get any dumber....

Also, when I moved from Texas (where I was born/raised) to Ohio years ago I bitched about exactly the same thing- the food was *good* dammit and I missed it because it was not avail in my new town. :P