[ SECRET POST #1967 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1967 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 051 secrets from Secret Submission Post #281.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

That's the dark side of "social justice" as practiced on the Internet.

Now that you've talked to all the socially liberal people, go back to the places and people that (now) make you uncomfortable and talk to them.

No, I'm not saying "be kind to a homophobe" or the like. What I am saying is... well, that kind of thinking leads you to feel people like you are superior. Go find some people outside your circles. People you're not sure about. Talk to them and ask them about their lives.

I'm betting that if you're brave enough to do this, you'll like them, too. Not "approve of everything they believe"... but find things to like about them, even as you scrunch your nose at their random occasional iffy comments.

[(Anonymous)]

lmao that's not even what sjers support

bc... you know... racism

[insanenoodlyguy.livejournal.com]

Ahem: "You sound white."

That is all.

[(Anonymous)]

lol u

thinking racism against white people is a thing

[(Anonymous)]

No, but it is fucked up to see that shit slapped around everywhere.

I honest to god saw a thread yesterday that went like this:

"[story about homophobia]" -> "Lol yes stupid white people!"

News flash: white people are not the only homophobes in the world. Not being white does not instantly get you a 'get out of all bigoted actions free' card. (The article was about black gay men, too.)

[sky-queen3.livejournal.com]

Huh, I thought racism was just hatred of a race that’s not your own? Am I missing something?

[(Anonymous)]

That is correct. However, SJWs are of the opinion that, since white people are automatically priviledged, racism against white people is not possible.

[(Anonymous)]

That is one definition. Another is that racism is prejudice (of any sort; not just hateful prejudice) against another race combined with social privilege based on your own race. The first is (as far as I can tell) the most common colloquial definition. The second is the most widely-accepted academic definition (at least in the US). Neither is more "right" than the other, because semantics doesn't fucking work like that.

This causes all kinds of problems, because someone operating under definition 1 might say something about someone expressing hatred of white people being racist, and a person operating under definition 2 might be really upset by that because they thought the other person was claiming white people don't have racially-based social privilege. Or, someone operating under definition 2 might say a generalization about a particular race is racist, and someone operating under definition 1 might think that's really stupid if the generalization isn't overtly hateful.

tl;dr - SJW's and people who rail about SJW's all need to study basic linguistics, ffs.

[(Anonymous)]

Best comment explaining this ever.

Thanks for this, srsly. I have a lot of difficulty sometimes articulating that there are different definitions of racism. I tend to operate under the "academic" definition no.2 and I need to be more aware that generally that's not what comes to mind for people when they hear the word.

[(Anonymous)]

No problem. I'm always down for getting ranty and over-explainy about semantics, and I'm happy someone found my ranting useful.

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

Okay, so your comment is so vague idk what you're even saying. But:

1) Admittedly, I rushed through reading the secret. I got the "I'm now prejudiced" part but missed the "judging whole cultures" part, so I was kind of off-point. Le whoops. My bad.

But 2) I still think that one of the best ways to work through a prejudice is to talk to people. Not because it makes you magically approve of something creepy (like, say, FGM -- which I wonder too if this is about, actually), but because it humanizes the people who believe the creepy shit. It's much better, for your own health and the others you interact with, to be able to go "Gaaah, I hate that opinion of yours, but you're not so bad" than to be like "I can't deal with you because you hold that opinion."

But it takes a LOT of work to get to that point.

[al28894.livejournal.com]

This. I have friends with different opinions on politics and life, but that doesn't automatically mean that they're bad people. Living in a multicultural country and growing up with them since childhood does help. It's not easy, it's not pretty, but it does open your mind.

[natural-blue-26.livejournal.com]

+1

[childings.livejournal.com]

The other dark side is the blatant classism where the bad guys are always low income "redneck" people because shame on them for having no access to education

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS THIS THIS

so much this.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

I've noticed that SJW tend to ignore class as a decisive factor in people's lives. In my personal experience, poverty is the biggest reason why people are discriminated against, more than race, gender, religion and sexuality. Of course race, gender, etc. add more to the plight, but poverty is the number one reason why lots and lots of people are segregated. That's my experience in my country, at least.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Very much this. Speaking as someone whose been upper middle class, and homeless [bad shit happens], class is pretty big factor in how people are treated in my country as well...but it's something a lot of people ignore.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

I know. It's hard to understand how anyone can ignore how fundamental class is.

[rhosyn-du.livejournal.com]

I strongly suspect it is because a significant majority of SJWs have serious class privilege.

Where I live, I wouldn't say that poverty is definitely the biggest reason people are discriminated against, but it's most certainly in the running. And here, people of color and single women are far, far likelier to live in poverty than white dudes, so there's a lot of intersectionality going on.

Class is the one people avoid talking about the most, though. Like, we have discussions about race and gender and sexuality and religion, and yeah, some people get all huffy that we're talking about this stuff, but man, you bring up classism and poverty, and suddenly you've got 90% of the middle and upper classes screaming "you're just jealous, should work harder, BOOTSRAPS!" It's almost like they're only willing to take poverty seriously as a problem if poor people "admit" that it really is their fault they're poor. Not to mention the bullshit with certain wealthy areas deciding they can no longer be a part of majority lower-middle/lower class city they live in and succeeding to form their own city so their taxes don't go toward poor kids' public education. (Fuck Piedmont, yo.)

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

That's my impression, too. I won't lie, I was raised in a very comfortable middle class household and I recognise I was and am privileged. But it surprises me that classism is so absent of SJ debates or that the fail to see that even the stuff they take for absolutely granted (like Internet access -even at libraries-) is a luxury for most of the human population.

It also strikes as surprising because I live in a mostly white country. Over 85% of the population here is white, so class and not race is the most important factor when it comes to oppression. Of course intersectionality is at play, but that doesn't change the fact that most of the issues these people face are because of their economical situation.

[(Anonymous)]

Poverty is the greatest ongoing discriminatory struggle in the history of human existence.

It's much easier to feel better about "conquering" various contemporary issues than it is to actually change our behaviour towards economics.

This pisses me off so much sometimes.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

I guess it's because change economics means questioning the whole system we live in, which seems harder than identifying other issues. But you are right that it ignores what is the core of the greatest problem humanity has.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, yes. Sometimes, I swear some people have a default response to "we need to change the way things are" ranging from "you communist!" to "no way my taxes are paying for lazy good-for-nothings".

*eyetwitch*

[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

+1