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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-06-02 03:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #1978 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1978 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-02 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I have read quite a few books with animals as the main characters and yet I have never heard of these series.
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[personal profile] morieris 2012-06-02 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
They still make these books?

& I'm with Anon, but I only heard of Warrios (Never read them - only Redwall and Mistmantle).
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[personal profile] morieris 2012-06-02 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
*Warriors. I didn't know they had spinoffs now.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-03 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
I have no idea what Survivors is, but Seekers isn't a Warriors spin off, it is it's own universe.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-02 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I read the first six books (or the first series) of Warriors and that was all. Does Animorphs count as an animal series?
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[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2012-06-02 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I read some of Warriors, but I think you're overestimating the market. There aren't many with animal main characters in the city or zoo or less natural places, so...

Redwall is better and probably has a better grip on this genre, tbh.
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[personal profile] kateshort 2012-06-02 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Waitaminit... Erin Hunter is a pseudonym for a writing collective?

I did NOT know that. I'm a middle school librarian. I feel all... unprofessional now.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-02 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol! I first read the Warriors books in middle school! I had no idea until I went to the website...I was shocked. XD There are three or four women, I believe, using the name Erin Hunter.
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[personal profile] elialshadowpine 2012-06-03 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
It's not uncommon for a lot of children's book series, honestly. Animorphs, which was pretty popular in the 90s, was written mostly by ghostwriters after a certain point. The Nancy Drew books, also, were written by a group of writers.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-02 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't read Warriors for a long time, but I used to love that series. I recall seeing previews in the back of the books for the bear thing...had no idea there was a dog one. XP

Redwall is so much better, really. Much as I loved Warriors, Redwall is fantastic!

(Anonymous) 2012-06-02 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Do all of their series follow the same formula? My little sister was pretty pissed when she read the first few Seekers books because she said Hunter was just changing the names/species from Warriors.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-02 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Redwall? Mistmantle? Guardians of Ga'Hoole? One for Sorrow, Two for Joy? The Sight/Firebringer? Watership Down? Nimh? And that's not even including fictional animals--Age of Fire, anyone?

Erin Hunter hasn't cornered the market. "Animal story" is far too wide a category to be cornered by a single author, even if that author is actually a collective.

Focus on your own writing. Come up with a creative, unique idea and hone your writing skills. If your book is good enough, "Erin Hunter" can publish a hundred animal books and it won't matter.

same anon

(Anonymous) 2012-06-02 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, and if you don't believe me: http://pubrants.blogspot.com/2012/06/what-editors-have-bought-recently-young.html

From a well-respected literary agent, one of the most recent sales she's heard from editors is "animal character middle grade fantasy."

People still want animal kid books, and they want them from people other than Erin Hunter. You've got a shot at it. Just write the best story you can.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-02 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
The Wild Road, Tailchaser's Song, and Plague Dogs, too.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-02 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Couldn't get through Plague Dogs--odd, because I loved Watership Down.

But now I'm gonna go find The Wild Road and Tailchaser's Song. Thanks for the recs~

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-03 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
mercedes lackey black griffon trilogy for fictional animals

(Anonymous) 2012-06-03 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
Don't forget Kenneth Oppel's Silverwing series.

Watership Down is not a kid's book

[personal profile] zogblaster 2012-06-03 08:19 am (UTC)(link)
It's a book that some children read, which is not at all the same thing. Someone expecting Erin Hunter style adventures, and instead reading graphic rabbit genocide? Not a happy 8-year-old.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-02 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Write it anyway.
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[personal profile] greenvelvetcake 2012-06-03 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
Brian Jacques is chuckling at this secret from beyond the veil.
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[personal profile] elialshadowpine 2012-06-03 03:24 am (UTC)(link)
Seriously? Write it anyway. No one author can corner the market. If something is popular, publishers will definitely be interested in "something similar" that comes along, because it's obvious they already have an audience for it!
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[personal profile] shinyhappypanic 2012-06-03 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
there's a dog series now too? good grief. cats and bears maybe, but there is no way in hell a group of dogs in the wild would set up an organized system. (...feeling a little dorky after that, lol.)

I read the first series and some of the second one back in middle school, but I just googled it and holy shit are there a lot books out now. I feel like they're all essentially the same book, too..

(Anonymous) 2012-06-03 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
Instead of being intimidated, just go for it! It'll be great to get something out that you can look at and go on from there.

[personal profile] kitty_wake 2012-06-03 10:50 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I have a couple of ideas....

- A book featuring cats as the main characters - cats who actually act like cats. I think the only one like that I've seen is "Stray" by A. N. Wilson. I just want someone to do for cats what "Watership Down" did for rabbits. E.g. Don't make them live in large groups - they're small and largely solitary (but not asocial) predators.
- A book featuring meerkats. Seriously, they're a gift. They're cute, they live in large social groups, and as far as I know there are no meerkat novels. Do some research (including but not limited to watching Meerkat Manor) and write something along those lines.

What bothers me about most animal books featuring cats is that they almost never have the cats being all that catlike. I don't mind so much if the book's got massive fantasy elements, like "The Wild Road", but surely part of the appeal of writing xenofiction is that you get into the head of the animal, rather than write primitive humans with cute pointy ears who eat mice.