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fandomsecrets2012-06-08 06:38 pm
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⌈ Secret Post #1984 ⌋
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 12:20 am (UTC)(link)no subject
I'm also a little sceptical of OP's level of passion for the 'subject' because what they're expressing passion for is a fandom, ie, an entertainment product designed to attract their passion. I'm not getting the vibe that they've done much research into what lawyers do day in day out, or how hard it is to get that job they're going to love even once they have that degree. They need to be talking to people who are out there trying to find those jobs right now, not playing videogames and looking longingly at university puff websites.
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 12:32 am (UTC)(link)I only ever hear this type of commentary anonymously or in passing, so now I'm curious about how often it's said by people who actually work the hated job just to get by, by people working on their dream job, or by people who are still studying / not working yet.
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In any case reality doesn't work that way, mostly because there are liek 3 dream jobs and everybody is trying to get at them. There's about one new white-collar job for every two people who've graduated from college in the US in the last five years. The math just is not there for everyone to have their 'dream job', or even a job that justifies the amount they spent to get a college degree, or even a job.
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 12:50 am (UTC)(link)But yes, the few times I've heard it said by someone I know, it was in school, by people who definitely hadn't started working yet.
There is no shame in contributing to society and making money from it, even if they're not activities you enjoy. There are so many things that need to be done for the world as we know it to function.
It also gives this idea that is either college or nothing, as if there aren't other cool jobs besides the ones that a diploma (should, but doesn't really) "guarantees".
What about technical schools? What about being self-employed, what about teaching, what about being a social worker, what about, well, everything else? (sorry, I'm not at top mental shape right now, those were off the top of my head)
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 01:21 am (UTC)(link)Except those people are also usually told by everyone - starting with their family - that they can "do so much better than those types of jobs" and "why would you settle for that when you can be anything else!"
Which is how you end up with college graduates loaded with debt after going to the most expensiveness school there is because their parents insisted they HAD TO DO BETTER than a menial job... but there are no jobs because everyone else did the same thing.
Meanwhile the world falls apart because no one wants their kids to have "menial jobs" ...
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 01:23 am (UTC)(link)*expensive - I have no idea what the hell I was trying to type originally...
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 02:01 am (UTC)(link)And it's not just the parents. There is an incredible pressure in High School to go to college and study a career, any career.
A classmate of mine said that she actually wanted to settle down, marry and have children, and boy, was she booed for it.
They make it sound like it's either college or failure, and, while it's totally okay to encourage students to do their best, there is such a thing as forcing them down a path that might or might not be for them.
And finding out how much money those schools receive to promote a specific college... that left a bad, bad taste in my mouth.
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 09:52 am (UTC)(link)Exactly... though in my case it was mostly my parents. Granted I have a disability so they probably felt like it was even more imperative to prove that I could succeed in anything I wanted. Which is a worthy goal, but not at the expense of my financial future.
Honestly knowing what I know now I definitely would have fought my parents harder about NOT going to college. At least not right away. Instead I would have worked harder to find a job that was relatively decent - maybe some office work instead of retail. And taken a few college courses at night or something to work towards a degree if I really wanted too - but first I would have figured out EXACTLY what I wanted a degree in instead of wasting 4 years without knowing what degree I wanted and then having to take an extra year just to finish because the college kept insisting that it was okay to "take your time to figure it out" - no it really wasn't...
80,000 in debt that I'll probably never be able to pay off since the maximum I can afford right now for payments is about $300 less than what the interest costs each month is not worth having a college degree.
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Are you on income based repayment? (asking this because I've gathered that there's surprisingly many people who qualify for it but don't use it.)
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-10 12:29 pm (UTC)(link)That's what I'm on actually and I can afford the payments but there's still the issue of the interest being more than what the payments are each month - so I'm never paying towards the actual amount, just to some of the interest that accumulates each month. It's ridiculous right now. I'm just hoping in a few years I can use the job experience to find a higher paying job in a similar area because I like what I'm doing now.
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It's not even about the job or the money, with some wide-eyed passion-followers, it's about the status. They can't believe that anyone would be content with their $60k store manager job when they could be earning $30k at a degree-required desk job instead, or earning $60k as a lawyer while nursing $150k of tuition debt. Most adult Americans (more than 70%) do not have a college degree. Some of them are wealthy and many of them are happy. Saying that they aren't doing anything worth your consideration gets extremely classist extremely fast.
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 05:50 am (UTC)(link)The market for teachers sucks too.
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 02:35 am (UTC)(link)Stop projecting.
Also a lot of people don't go to work in the fields they studied and you know what that's okay.
Or would you rather the OP go to school for something they hate because it promises a job at the end? Because oh no we can't have risk.
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but really? Also a lot of people don't go to work in the fields they studied and you know what that's okay.
Do you not see how much of a waste of someone's life it is it is to study something for three or four years for no lasting benefit?
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Not everyone is happy with getting a "menial job" and just having something to pay the bills. And even if people are, I bet some of them (not all, just some) would have wanted to get the job they used to really desire. If you just give up and get a regular job to pay the bills, you'd always wonder if you really could have made it, but you never will if you don't even try.
The only way OP can be a lawyer is by working their ass off in law school. And good luck to them! It's their choice; fandom or not, it's their choice. And maybe they can really do it. But if they listen to you and give up they'll be throwing away the chance of a job they really want.
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-you're assuming people can actually tell what jobs they would thrive in without the benefit of real work experience. In this case that's especially divorced from reality - an anon below linked some information about the severe rate of depression among law students and lawyers. A lot of people are clearly very, very not happy to have achieved this 'dream job'.
-you're being very generous to OP in saying that they are gunning for 'a job they really want'. We know that they like playing videogames about being a lawyer. We don't know that they have any real idea of what lawyers do from day to day, how many job openings there are in the kind of legal work they want to do (going by the fandom reference maybe they're interested in being a public defender? Due to state and local budget cuts many PD departments have been on a hiring freeze for the last several years), or if they have any reason to believe they'd be good at it.
If OP listens to you they'll be buying a lottery ticket that they'll spend most of their working life paying for. I don't know how closely you keep a watch on statistics regarding economic outcomes for graduates and professional degree-holders, or statistics regarding the economic mobility of people who 'work their ass off' in general (low and still falling, but 90% of people continue to believe they'll be in the top 10% of outcomes), or on which sectors of the economy are growing and which are shrinking (even while most sectors are recovering now, legal services are not). The math is just not there. OP is far more likely to be irreparably, permanently damaged by having a six-figure student debt sitting on their credit report that they can't pay then they are to get the 'dream job'.
Is the 'very tiny chance' worth never being able to get a mortgage or a car loan or a business loan? That is up to OP but I hope to god they do the research, run the numbers and consider the extent and likelihood of the downside (there are a lot of people out there writing about this and most of them are angry). A professional school debt is a commitment the size of a mortgage and you'll see a lot of people out there right now who unwisely walked into one of those.
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Maybe not to you, but to some, yes, it really is. And I think you keep assuming things about the OP; we don't know if they've done the research or even their family income, maybe they can afford their law school debts perfectly fine. Maybe they have knowledge of what being a lawyer will be like. Maybe all they got was from Ace Attorney. Who cares? You never get true experience from a job until you end up actually doing it. If this is what OP (currently) wants then it's their choice and if they end up regretting it, then that's down to them. But they need to learn that themselves, after trying. Because no matter what evidence you may give, there ARE lawyers in the world, there always will be. Someone will always get that job. That could be OP, but if they never try then they'll never know. Not everyone should be office workers for their whole lives simply to pay their bills.
I have a feeling we're never going to agree, but I feel very strongly on the fact that no one should tell another person what to do with their life. Offering advice is fine, but you live your life how you want and let them live theirs. I don't know if this is what OP truly wants to do - nor if they really know much about it - any more than you do, but if they ARE sure and they're really working hard for it, then I say more power to them and I wish them the best of luck. Call me an optimist, but I think it's far better than just getting a "safe" job and never gunning for it.
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Maybe it's just me, but I think
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