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⌈ Secret Post #1984 ⌋

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[Little Shop of Horrors]

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[sort of porny and possible underage; photomanip, Snape/Hermione]

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[Let the Right One In/Låt den rätte komma in]

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[Parasyte]

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You know what I don't understand about SJW's? (Not all of them, but you're clearly referring to them in your other comment above.)

They want someone to correct their bigotry, racism, etc., but then the person asks them more, and they're all

"EDUCATIVE YOURSELF DON'T WASTE MY TIME *HATRED HATRED HATRED HATRED*"

Do they really not realize how harmful that is as opposed to helpful? How they're just leaving a bad taste in that person's mouth and how they're turning them away from actually doing that research?

Stopping people's bad thought and speech patterns, yes, I approve, but when they are just tearing down and leaving alone, not tearing down and leaving the starts of something better behind, well, that's just being an asshole and hiding it behind self-righteousness.

By the way, I loathe the phrase "educate yourself".

It's so condescending, and it makes me stop seeing the rest of what they're saying momentarily.

Oh lord, I hate that too. I don't always have the energy to sit there and explain for someone, but I can suggest search terms on google (you would not believe how many people have no idea how to formulate search terms, and if you phrase it wrong, you will come up with the completely wrong sort of information, particularly on SJ issues) or link articles or stuff. I usually have a whole bunch of 101 stuff bookmarked so I pull up a link and paste.

I mean, yes, it is frustrating to have to explain disability or queer issues for the eleventy-billionth time, but, IDK, I think a lot of people go into it assuming that others don't want to learn. And while that's definitely happened to me, I've run into a lot of people that really did want to learn but had no idea where to start.

Exactly! If it wasn't for all the lurking I've done in this community, I wouldn't even know what words to search for. Most people really don't know even the "basics".

And, yes, there are always people who won't care even if you try to nudge them in the right direction, but isn't it worth it for all the people that do want a nudge to change for the better? Dismissing everyone as people who want to stay ignorant and have excuses to be mean forever and ever isn't cool at all. :(

I like your approach, with the bookmarks and search terms, and all. I wish that the rest of the "SJWs" were at least a little more patient, like you. :)

It wasn't all that long ago that I was pretty ignorant myself. I learned very quickly to just lurk because otherwise I saw so many people make a minor mistake in phrasing, or not be totally aware of how some words were problematic, etc etc etc, and then not be given a second chance. It is pretty fucking awful when someone just makes a mistake, tries to learn from it, and then has people mocking them for it in totally different communities. (And sadly, I have seen this happen in too many cases. Particularly if the person has difficulty "getting" what people are trying to explain.)

I really hate that it's that way, because I know for me, I wanted to ask some clarification on various things and was afraid to because I saw so many other people ridiculed for not knowing things.

I don't necessarily think it's the majority of people, but the people who do it are very freaking vocal.

I'll admit that if someone makes it clear that they don't give a shit, I have no compunctions about calling them an asshole, but to assume that everyone is like that is pretty reprehensible to me.

I know what you mean about the lurking part. :(

I have hopes that eventually things will start shifting for the better.

Internet communities are starting to wise up about who is really trying to help and who isn't.

That's basically the problem with SJWs in a nutshell - they treat every offense as exactly the same. A racist asshole who goes around preaching about white superiority and how all PoC should be wiped off the face of the Earth is met with the same amount of vitriol as a person who used the word "gyp" and wasn't aware of its cultural origins. And if you're going to label yourself as a person who has taken it upon themselves to help bring knowledge and advocacy and equality to the world, then yes, you DO have a responsibility to explain something to someone rather than just scream at them for being a piece of garbage and tell them to go fucking Google it themselves if they really want to know.

Edited 2012-06-09 07:16 (UTC)

This is the best comment I have ever seen about social justice. Part of advocacy is getting the word out about your cause and facilitating the dialogue -- because I guarantee if you are not having that discussion, people are going to learn all the wrong lessons.

Thank you! That's quite a compliment, given the insightfulness and eloquence of some of the comments in this thread. I completely agree with what you said: it really bothers me when people say things like, "IT'S NOT MY JOB TO EDUCATE YOU", because it's like.. well, then, what are you doing? What are you doing here if not to educate people? Are you just here to yell at people for doing something that they didn't even know was wrong? If you're going to slap yourself with the label of advocate, then you have effectively taken it upon yourself to educate people about advocacy. The end.

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