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fandomsecrets2012-06-10 03:09 pm
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[ SECRET POST #1986 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1986 ⌋
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-10 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)I think the reason I see Loki as such a tragic character is because he's obviously been loved and still is loved, but he's unable to see that. It doesn't matter if you're the neglected second child (which Loki isn't, as he hasn't exactly been neglected) or the praised older child (as I have been), feeling unloved by those you love the most does things to you.
I interpret Loki as being used to being in Thor's shadow and okay with it most of the time, but he's always had a tiny voice in the back of his mind that he doesn't belong or his parents don't really love him or he doesn't really have friends and only tags along with Thor because he's his brother. Whatever the case, he has some doubt as to his position in the family.
When he finds out who he really is, he goes a little crazy, coupled with the fact that he's more or less been handed absolute power, thus he does the only thing that he thinks will get him acceptance, destroying Jotunheim. When Odin and Thor stop him, he slides even deeper into that place in his mind of despair and doubt, prompting him to let go of the staff. Going through the transdimensional wormhole only upsets his mental balance even more. Further isolated from everything he knows (Asgard), he comes to the conclusion that subjugating the human race and gaining power will bring him peace and self-worth.
The tragic part is that there's a huge amount of miscommunication and misunderstanding within the family. Loki doesn't realize he's been loved. Or, if he does, he can't believe it and needs something else to prove himself. The point is, you do some pretty stupid and desperate things to feel love and self-worth.
Just my two cents.
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-10 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)Most of my ire for the woobification of characters is that it strips them of all accountability for their actions and instead places that blame on other characters. Then it's somehow those characters' responsibility to bend over backward in order to reassure and love and fix the woobie and understand that it's not him that's wrong, it's them.
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-10 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)Re-read and realized you weren't trying to absolve him of his blame. Sorry about that.
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Yes. THIS is the reason I find him sympathetic. Not because of bullshit imaginary ideas about how "omg he's been mistreated and that's why he acts that way!" but because he could be good so easily, and he isn't. No one mistreated him and he doesn't have a good excuse for why he feels the way he does, and honestly, I think it's so much more tragic that way: if only he realized how much Thor loves him and how much he would be willing to take him back, he could've done so and become a good person. But he just doesn't get it, and then The Avengers happened, and he's past the point of no return. That moment in Thor when they were fighting on the bridge and he lets himself fall, and that moment in the Avengers when Thor realizes that Loki's really willing to kill him...my heart. :(
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YES. Exactly this. That was what broke my heart at the end of Thor, that Loki's descent into self-destruction comes so obviously from his desperation for worth and that the people who loved him couldn't express it in time, in the right ways, and that Loki wouldn't let himself believe they were trying. He kept making worse and worse choices based on a misguided premise until he crossed a threshold from which he could never return, from which even Thor with all his might couldn't save him. And the worst part is that I think Loki saw it happening and genuinely didn't see how he could stop it. His ability to forgive himself was actually a lot more shallow than his family's ability to forgive him.
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-11 02:41 am (UTC)(link)