[ SECRET POST #1987 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1987 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 096 secrets from Secret Submission Post #284.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[murderershair.livejournal.com]

I feel like the only person who liked Ron/Hermione so much more in the movies, exactly because their bickering felt genuinely affectionate as played by Grint and Watson, and the films cut out a lot of their most depressing and insulting arguments.

But in the books... ugh. They don't seem to respect each other at all, and the idea of their marriage really depressed me on behalf of both of them, and their kids.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's not just you.

I was surprised when people said that the Ron/Hermione could be seen coming from a mile away in the books, because all I saw was a fighting couple of friends with some mildly confused feelings on Ron's part. I always had the impression that Hermione only tolerated him.

In the films, though? Yup, they had the friendly bickering chemistry down-pat.

In a more general response to the secret, I'm not a fan of this type of relationship because I've seen it played out in real life couples and seen the unhealthy side of it.

Obviously, light-hearted arguments are no way in the same level of real fighting, and of course that couples that have disagreements or discussions aren't automatically unhealthy, but I've seen that that kind of relationship isn't for everyone, and sometimes instead of harmless bickering or teasing it's all stealth-insults and passively-aggressive bringing up past grievances just the right way to hurt the other person and...

Yeah. :(

I think that sometimes, portraying bickering and such as a default "look, they're attracted to each other" clue can lead to the harmful idea that all couples that do this are perfectly healthy, and not showing the distinction how sometimes they take it too far and simply saying sorry won't fix it.

Sometimes their chemistry doesn't allow for a healthy arrangement, and I don't like how some works just pass that over.

[murderershair.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I feel similarly about the Slap Slap Kiss dynamic. I'm down for some gentle teasing and snarking at other people, but too many times this kind of couple just seems to be bent on destroying each other's self-esteem.

It's sort of related to my all time least favorite fictional relationship problem, which is the sort where everything would be resolved if they'd just ADMIT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM AND TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT IT. To be fair

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

That is one of my number one pet peeves in any work of fiction ever, if not the number one.

It's so overdone that it feels like a cheap excuse to introduce needless conflict or prolong the plot because they ran out of ideas.

Lately, I've taken to stop seeing films, shows, etc. that use it, and I don't regret it.

I vaguely remember seeing it done well a few times, but I can't even remember where or when. That should probably say enough about how often it's done badly.

It's also specially jarring when the characters would normally talk things out and they suddenly don't for that episode or book or whatever, and no explanation for their change in behavior is ever given. Like, they've been preoccupied with something else, or got into a nasty "not-talking-to-you" fight, or I don't know, something that makes sense for them.

Re: ayrt

[murderershair.livejournal.com]

I have honestly almost started writing fics just to respond to the irritating fanfiction where an excuse for cheating is 'WELL CHARACTER X WANTED THIS TYPE OF SEX BUT FOR SOME REASON DECIDED THAT BECAUSE THEIR PARTNER COULDN'T PSYCHICALLY INTUIT THIS THAT THEY WOULD BANG CHARACTER X'. I mean, when the problem could be solved with a "Hey, honey, do you mind if we try something different in the bedroom", but the author expects me to believe that this character is sooo easily embarrassed that instead of having that talk, they'd just go out and fuck their cousin instead- okay, I'm ranting about a specific fic now, and I should stop.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

You could always write the fic and make a sockpuppet to post it.

You know you want to.

[truxillogical]

No, yeah, I can see that. Aside from the awkward Harry/Hermione dance (er...?), I thought the movie relationships played out well, and I was really surprised to find myself feeling for Ron/Hermione in Deathly Hallows.

I don't really remember a lot of the HBP movie, and I do remember that that was where the absolute worst of R/Hr happened (though it irked me from pretty early on, HBP had them behaving like psychopaths, and everyone cooed it off with "oh, they're teenagers, that's how hormones are." Which...what?).

[murderershair.livejournal.com]

Hah, yeah, the Harry/Hermione dance was bizarre. In the theaters, I was like OKAY I GUESS IT IS BATHROOM BREAK TIME when that cropped up.

The HPB movies is one of my favorites! The Ron/Lavender relationship in it actually has a bit of foreshadowing, and Hermione clearly breaks it off with Cormac the minute she realizes that she hates spending time with him. A lot of the weird passive aggressive stuff that Ron and Hermione pulled in the books is gone- I mean, the weird bird thing is still in it, but at least it seems more like the equivilant of throwing something at the wall than an actual attempt to hurt Ron.

Hermione seems more balanced in the HPB movie in general though, what with the weird Fleur-hating subplot being cut.

[otakugal15]

I liked that scene. >_>

Both from a casual shipper stand point and from a BFF stand point. With the BFF standpoint, I just saw it as Harry trying to say, "Hey!! BFF!! I'm here if you need me...even though I have no idea what I'm doing and this is kind of awkward....but fun?" type of thing.

I thought it was adorable. ^^;;

[(Anonymous)]

I would have thought it was adorable if Harry had proven to be at all that type of person over seven years. But he's always been so socially inept when it comes to social situations (he grew up in a cupboard, of course he would be) or reading people emotionally (especially girls--especially Hermione). His gut reaction to Hermione being upset is to almost always leave her to it (which is what he does in the book) until he needs her to help his ass find something about Voldemort or the likes to distract her.

That's why that scene seems so forced to me. Harry wasn't that cutesy "let's dance!" type of friend, though it'd have been great if he was, but it came out so OOC. Like if Ron had come back from being MIA with roses and a big romantic kiss...it would have just felt off.

[otakugal15]

I think that's why I loved it so much. He actually came out of his comfort zone BECAUSE this was a much bigger blow up and during such a dangerous time. He decided to make her as happy as best he could, considering all the circumstances and such, by trying, even if it was hella awkward.

[truxillogical]

I do need to re-watch it. The canary thing was kind of crazy, but it bother me a hell of a lot less that coldly calculating relationship witch: "I picked the guy I knew would piss Ron off more, even if he gropes me a bit" she admits to Harry without a trace of shame.

...okay, I could write an essay on everything I dislike about Hermione in the books, but yeah, so much gets evened out in the movies.

[otakugal15]

I agree with you on film!Ron/Hermione. I ship them there, but not in the books. And that's pretty much why. They were more genuine feeling. RON was more genuine feeling (he just leaves me felling icky in the books...).