[ SECRET POST #1998 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1998 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

01. http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3840/confusedan.gif

[sparklywalls]

Well for a start it depends what you want to do. Do you want to get into just New Who or Classic Who or both? Tbh I thought New Who was a nice introduction for people who haven't necessarily seen the show before. It was a lovely nod to the original series but also had enough new information and enough of a break for people to dive in and not be confused. I've seen plenty of others advise new fans to start there with the Eccleston series and then dip into the classic series if they feel like it. Because a word of warning: the classic series is very much of its time. The pacing can seem horrible compared to modern sci-fi and the stuff about wobbly sets and bad costumes is very much true - part of the reason I love it is because of these things, but people who are used to bigger budget and better effects might not be so forgiving.

Don't worry too much about seeing everything ever as well. The show contradicted itself quite a bit even during the original run. Novels and audioplays complicated it further. But it's all worth it if you really want to give it a try.

[dancing_serpent]

I've seen plenty of others advise new fans to start there with the Eccleston series

I had pretty much the same problem as the OP, and that was exactly the advice I got from all the friends I asked where to start - so that's what I did, and it worked fine for me.

Skipped the Classic Who, though, and haven't started with Eleven yet, but I love Nine and Ten. ♥

[(Anonymous)]

Don't bother. It's overrated and awful.

[(Anonymous)]

And been running off and on for over fifty years :)

[(Anonymous)]

This is something fans hear all the time, so don't feel as if you'd get chewed apart for expressing this.

Mostly, people will suggest start with Series 1 of the new Doctor Who, with Eccleston. There's not that much to cover, relatively,

However, if you are not keen on watching six seasons in order to be caught up in time for the next one, starting with Series 5, with Matt Smith, will actually serve you well. I was new to the series, and this is what I started with. I only had a couple of questions that confused me (what was the Time War, who was River Song), but otherwise I understood it.

Any other concepts the show has can be explained rather simply, and I imagine you already understand them (like regeneration and the sonic screwdriver).

[(Anonymous)]

I'd start with the beginning of the new series and while working on that, I'd do some minor research (Wikipedia, etc.) just to familiarize myself with the different doctors and companions just so I wouldn't be completely lost when I finally started watching some of the classic series. I think it's kind of pointless to try to watch Old Who in order - Personally, I find the first Hartnell story unbearably boring after the first episode and you might find that some doctors or companions just don't interest you (there's also a crapload of episodes that are lost). I'd just start with whatever you can get your hands on and if you enjoy certain episodes, look for more from around that same time period.

[adlanth]

What the poster above said, ie 2005/Eccleston is a good place to start, plus continuity doesn't matter that much.
I guess season 6 (and 5 to a lesser extent) of New Who are a bit of a continuity snarl in another way, but that still shouldn't discourage you.

[elaminator]

If you want to get into Who, you should!

Maybe find a fandom friend or someone who will help you decide what to watch if you're unsure yourself, and maybe they could help you find the older seasons, if you wish to watch them (and need the help). Hell, if you found the right person you could even watch it together, and discuss the episodes after? Or if this is more your style: watch it alone and then search the internet; I'm sure there are plenty of discussions on communities and meta to be read about probably every episode - Who is popular and has a very dedicated fanbase.

And if you want to just watch New Who, that's fine too. I haven't even watched all of that and I'm still enjoying the series (though one day I wouldn't be against going back and watching some of what I've missed).

Really, you shouldn't be intimidated. I know it seems like a lot of materiel and is, but...I don't think you actually need to consume all of it (again, unless you want to, which...would probably take more hours than are in the day) to enjoy it.

[azi]

As others have said, I'd start with 'New Who' and watch all of that before deciding whether you want to delve into the history of such a long series. It's designed to allow in new viewers with no prior knowledge of the continuity as well as cater for fans of the classic series, so it's probably the best place to start.

I'm an old skool fan and was brought up with the classic series, but to a modern eye the wobbly sets, dodgy costumes and decidedly dated look could easily put off a new viewer. The episodes are higher budget, in a better format in the new series and are generally faster paced. Use that as a hook..?

[visiblemarket.livejournal.com]

I guess it depends what you want out of the show/fandom, OP. I function pretty well just watching (most of) New Who (all of S1, some of S2 and S3, all of S4 because DONNA, and pretty regularly since then), but I avoid writing fic because obviously there's stuff that happened in the episodes I missed that I'm not 100% on. I have seen none of Old Who, but I have some knowledge due to fandom osmosis through Tumblr and other bits of meta that float around, plus there's always wikipedia if you have questions.

The neat thing with each new Doctor/Companion/Season, though, is that it can be almost like a reboot. It brings in a whole new set of fans, and you all learn together. There're call backs, but I think Moffat does a pretty good job of not make a PhD in Whoology necessary to understand current episodes and motivations (sometimes to the detriment of character development, but I digress) if you're a new viewer.

So, yeah. I'd start with S1 of New Who (Eccleston), see how you like that, and then once the new season starts up tune in, even if you haven't caught up 100%. You can always dip back into older canon if you're curious. There's plenty out there.

[(Anonymous)]

You just have to be okay with that it's a continuity snarl. Why does that matter?

As for where to begin? Start at An Unearthly Child or at Rose. Or look up the ones Robert Holmes wrote, and the ones Steven Moffat wrote under Russell Davies, and the one Neil Gaiman wrote.

[aiffe]

Start with the 2005 Eccleston series. It's where I started, and that worked out great for me. Keep watching that in order till you're current on new!Who.

Now what you do next will depend on how much you fell in love.

If you didn't enjoy yourself, just stop there, dude, why are you wasting your time.

If you thought it was pretty good and would like to see some classic Who, but not waste a lot of time on it, you could probably get recs for some of the best serials of each era, and just sort of sample bits of different Doctors.

If you thought it was fantastic and absolutely fell in love, you could start from the very beginning and just watch it straight through in order. (This was me. Warning: it will take up a lot of your time, and recons are a bitch. Oh man seasons 4 and 5 were the worst with the missing episodes I just about died.)

Some people say to start with Three. Don't do that. If you want to skip ahead about that far, instead of going to season 7 (the start of Three's era) go to season 6 (and you can just skip The Space Pirates if you really hate recons or something). Knowing what Two was like and how he went down is going to make everything about Three's era way better, trust me on this.

Oh and also, if you want to do Torchwood with the new Doctor Who, I think it's like,

DW s1
DW s2
TW s1
DW s3
TW s2
DW s4
TW Children of Earth
DW Tennant Specials

Because in the RTD era there were occasional crossovers. That's the order you'd probably get the most out of it from, if you want to include Torchwood.

Also, after the specials/Children of Earth, they do sort of diverge off into their own little worlds. I was personally disappointed with Miracle Day (and it pains me to say this, because I am RTD's biggest stan and wanted to like it like you have no idea) but it did have some good moments (ep seveeeen), so you can decide on whether to watch it based on how much you liked Torchwood/how mad you are that it broke your heart (because oh it will).

Also also, I did watch The Sarah Jane Adventures too, though I completely fucking lost track of where in the continuity that was supposed to go. That's kind of kiddie, maybe after you've seen a fair bit of Doctor Who (and Torchwood?) you can decide if you like that universe enough. Or after you see Sarah Jane's episodes with Three and Four. It does have cameos from the Tenth and Eleventh Doctors in it, though. I watched the whole series for that, because I didn't want to see the cameos out of context, and while some episodes were groaners, there were some surprisingly good ones too, and I did love the cast very much. ;_____; Elisabeth Sladen you will be missed.

Oh and um, I'm also in the rare camp that really liked the 1995 movie. It was camp as all get-out, but I like that kind of thing. You can watch that at pretty much any time, it's in its own happy little world, though I wouldn't watch it first.

Don't worry about the apocrypha yet. It'll overwhelm you.

tl;dr: Yes, it is a continuity snarl, but it's an amazing one, or people wouldn't bother with it. It's kind of like Marvel or DC, hardly anyone's actually seen it all (and those who have haven't read/listened to all the apocrypha and etc) but you just sort of jump in and start enjoying it.

The best thing about Doctor Who is that you will never run out of official material. Ever.

[dancing_serpent]

DW s1
DW s2
TW s1
DW s3
TW s2...

Not quite, it would be DW s1, TW s1...and then as you said.

[(Anonymous)]

This is the best comment and you should feel good about it. Also seconding the comment about Three's era -- he's (possibly) my favourite Doctor, but I wouldn't recommend starting there. His character makes more sense if you understand the whole of what he's lost, and it's easier to forgive his vicious moments.

[akashasheiress]

I find it depressing how dismissive people are of Classic Who.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really. New comers may find it difficult to find a good starting place, there is just so much to cover. You can start at the very beginning with William Hartnell, a great Doctor to be sure but not the best for someone getting started who is used to the pacing of more current tv shows. So, there are a couple other good places for new fans to jump in but Eccleston is probably the easiest. New who DVDs are just easier to find and more readily available.

I started off with New Who and started watching older seasons after Tennant's second season. I think two, four, seven, and nine were the best Doctors.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I'd start with New Who (they're up on Netflix, if you have it, but if not they're easy enough to track down) and then you can look into Classic Who.

I thought this was trolling for

[(Anonymous)]

"People assume that [Doctor Who] is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually — from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint — it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey... stuff."

(http://gifsoup.com/view/767429/wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey-stuf.html)
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idk I liked watching the new stuff all the way through. Everyone suggests blink but then you might expect everything to be that good and sometimes it's not.

[tenlittlebullets]

Yeah, it's a continuity snarl--a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, canony-fanony stuff. (Don't get Who fans arguing about what's canon and what's not. It won't end well.) When I was first getting into it, I was sure this would drive me crazy, since I'm generally an encyclopedic, list-making, timeline-reconstructing perfectionist of a fan, but I've learned to take it in stride. The trick is that continuity only matters if you're super-concerned with imposing internal consistency on the show's universe; the new series has arc plots, but with very rare exceptions* the classic serials are self-contained. As long as you know the show's basic premise, you can pop a random one in and press play--there's no need to untangle the continuity snarl unless you enjoy pointless arguments about the Doctor's age or whether the interior of the TARDIS is in a state of temporal grace or what the Blinovitch Limitation Effect even does.

(* Four's last season and one of Six's seasons have arc plots. And it's not generally recommended to watch Two's final serial if you haven't seen any other Two. That's... about it, really. Feel free to hit me up for Classic Who recs if you want them.)

[diabolicalfiend]

There's really no right answer. The fact that it's a big mess works to your advantage, the series doesn't really require new people to know a great deal, even through the series. Though possibly less so in the new one. Just pick up the easiest to get and go from there, if you want.

[turloughs]

People might think I'm crazy but if you can stand really cheesy effects start from the very beginning. I personally love Classic Who even though I started with Eccleston, I think it's adorable and I love the stories.

If you don't want to start from the very beginning definitely start with Eccleston, he was my first Doctor and although Peter Davison is my Doctor I absolutely love Eccleston and he'll always be my second favorite Doctor.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Start with the Eccleson episodes.
Sample Old Who episodes. Some are on Netflix streaming.

[(Anonymous)]

I've recently gotten into Dr Who - I just started with the New Who with #9 and that went really well for me! Good luck!

[(Anonymous)]

I've always loved Dr Who, I used to hide behind the sofa whilst watching as a child, and Tom Baker was my doctor. I'm a big fan of the Eccleston series, I think it's the best of new Who. However I do find the fandom really bonkers, I don't like it at all. It's a bit like Star Trek, some people have been in the same fandom far too long.

I dabbled in it a bit when new who started and just got such pompous attitudes from fans who feel they have some kind of special status.

I just stick with watching the show, if I were you OP I'd be really wary of getting into the fandom, if you do just expect to be jumped on for any opinion you might hold.