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If a person doesn't like homophobes, they still might not be gay/LGBT/insert-other-label right activists. That's what the term feminist reminds me of, by the way. There are many reasons why some people may choose to call themselves feminists, but I usually find that it's because they're actively working on creating equal rights for women.

I'm female and I believe in equal rights, but I don't call myself a feminist. I'm thinking equalist might be a good term except it was coined by villains first.

DA

They never said anything about activists. They just said that disliking homophobes doesn't make that person any less "straight" by definition.

I believe in equal rights

Other people will call you feminist because that is what feminist means. Your gender doesn't matter.

I believe in equal rights, that doesn't have anything to do with females. Anyone on this planet, be it male, female, some other gender, or whatever this person is, should have the same right. If this makes me a feminist, there's something wrong with this world.

Feminist is just the term for it, like it or not.

Feminist is the term for believing everyone in the world is equal? Really? I'm sure the LGBT right activists would like to be called feminists.

Or something wrong with your view of the word "feminist". Personally I'll take option B.

I think these people would say it signs you up for more than one social justice movement.

But that's always struck me as pretty bizarre. Basically it means anyone sitting around going "Boy, a more equitable world would be awesome!" is a member of a whole slew of movements.

I'd much rather people reserve the term for those people who actually do shit. But this would probably offend people who think making a couple comments on a messageboard/community makes them a change maker.

Personally I think it's a very rare and special person who can really devote herself to more than one movement and do the work. Because heaven knows we have a long, long way to go.

If this makes me a feminist, there's something wrong with this world.

What's wrong with this world is that it's turned "feminist" into such a bad word that even people who are feminist (like you) don't want to say they are.

Because it's saying that when I say "humans" are equal, I'm automatically meaning males and females are equal, when that's clearly not what I said. I could be putting people into a lot of different categories. If this had been a secret about racism, I could be talking about races, but here people are forcing me to take a label I clearly did not state. In most cases, I choose not to use labels at all because I don't believe in putting people into categories.

Are you a teenager, by any chance?

Because let me tell you, with any luck you're going to grow out of this embarrassing ~but I don't believe in labels~ aversion toward the idea of civil rights movements and social justice.

Although to be fair, there are at least a few childish adults that never do. They remain an embarrassment for the rest of their lives, until they finally actually grow up.

No.

Also, did you notice that I called myself a female? It's not like I'm against all labels. On the other hand, if someone doesn't want to label their own gender, I believe that they have the right not to. If they don't think they're male or female, they don't have to look through the dictionary and every archive available to find a label that fits themselves, and no one has the right to force them to take one.

I don't mind being called childish for that, I guess. That's one label I'll take.

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Most times when someone calls themselves a Feminist I want to run in the other direction.

It's not that I don't share the goal of equality for everyone but to be honest many outspoken Feminist I read about in papers/watched on talkshows etc. and the ones on the Internet are kinda scary people who end up so focused on women issues that they forget that other people (even men) have problems generated by society as well.

I'm not against feminism but I don't want to be associated with it because it's new advocates seem to be a bunch of crazy people (at least where I live).

I'm trying to determine if you're of the "ahhh scary manhating bitches" persuasion or not. I feel like the way you answer this question might help: Do you believe that suggesting male privilege exists, and that saying all men have male privilege, is 'focusing too much on women's issues to the degree that one is forgetting men have problems too'?

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It's worth noting that most of these men's issues generated by society that you are referring to only even exist because of women's issues.

You're a gay man? You're degrading yourself by having sex like a woman. You want to cry? Don't be a sissy girl. You can't catch a ball? You're not enough of a man. You want to be a fashion designer? That's for women. You're unfairly accused of child molestation? It's more likely that you did because women are subhuman caretaking machines incapable of doing harm to children. You don't want to have to take on the dangerous jobs that might kill you? Well, someone has to, and women aren't able.

It's all connected in the great Circle of Bullshit.

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Given how strong an aversion you have to the word feminist, I think it's safe to say you're not one.

If anything, you sound antifeminist.

Okay, on the one hand I agree with you. Being a feminist entails way more than just 'believing women are people' or even 'believing everyone [or even, men and women] should be equal'. It means you have to be involved in activism for women in some way, even if it's as small and seemingly insignificant as just showing people when they're doing or saying something sexist and letting them know what's wrong.

On the other... you seem a little too invested in not caring about the rights of women in particular.

Anyone on this planet, be it male, female, some other gender, or whatever this person is, should have the same right.

Except, when it comes to men vs. women, men are not really in danger of having fewer rights. Excluding trans men, who face their own set of persecutions, men have more rights than women everywhere in the world. So if you're concerned with being a "humanist," or whatever dumb shit people are calling it these days, then you're concerned with feminism. Sorry, but in general society, "oppressed men" is not a thing.

Right!

...unless the men in question are non-straight, non-white, disabled, poor, and so forth. You remembered the transmen, but all of the rest are not female exclusive areas and that anon was not only talking about gender.

NAYRT

I think they mean male privilege is not likely to become inverted and replaced with female privilege.

AYRT

Which is exactly why I specifically said "when it comes to men vs. women." Also, non-straight, non-white, disabled, and poor are all things that can describe women as well. Those things are all problems and shouldn't be discounted, but in general society women are oppressed purely for being women and men are not (unless they're transgender). So it's a cop-out to say "I'm not feminist, I'm equalist/humanist/whatever!"

those people are discriminated against for being non-straight, non-white, disabled, poor and so forth, NOT FOR BEING MEN.

there is a very important distinction there.

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Like what? What rights do men have that women don't? I do not even know how to begin Googling this.

Maybe try searching up feminism 101?

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Feminism is fighting for the equality of all people by fighting for women to have all the rights that men have had handed to them since the dawn of time.

That's why it's called feminism.

Because men don't need to have their rights fought for, they already have them.

hth

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