[ SECRET POST #2015 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2015 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fauxkaren]

At this point, I've gone too far defending this show from assholes on tubmlr, so I will probably love it and stan for it even if it is terrible.

[habilelapin]

I want this show to not suck, because I like Lucy Liu. But the more I hear about it, the more it sounds like it has very little to actually do with Sherlock Holmes as a whole.

[fauxkaren]

Meh. I'm not all that concerned with how faithful to canon the show is because while I've read some of the stories, idrc about them. lol. I just want the show to be entertaining.

[anonymouslyyours]

It can be entertaining. I'm just confused so far as why they've decided to attach "Sherlock Holmes" to the project.

[fauxkaren]

Because the RDJ movies are wildly popular? And emphasizing the Sherlock Holmes connection has the benefit of a built in audience?

And the character dynamics DO seem to be the same, so it's not like it's blasphemy to refer to it as a Holmes adaptation. It's just not a word for word adaptation. It's taking the big ideas and setting it in a new place with new stories.

[anonymouslyyours]

So... I don't think I'm involved in this as you are but I don't see anything that would distinguish it from lessay Monk or Mentalist in regards to SH canon.

[habilelapin]

Me either. Maybe it could be an averagely enjoyable show on its own, but as a Sherlock Holmes adaption, I'm just not seeing it.

Which is a shame, because genderswapped characters could bring a different view to it. (Would Sherlock be treated differently if he was still an arrogant asshole, only a woman?) I don't understand why they only switched one of them, either.

[anonymouslyyours]

Would Sherlock be treated differently if he was still an arrogant asshole, only a woman?

Yes. Yes. Yes. And I would pay all the monies to see it outside of my head! Especially if they didn't try "redeeming" her or making her more vulnerable/relatable.

[habilelapin]

What you just said made me immediately scowl. Sherlock is not redeemable. Male or female, Sherlock will always be an arrogant crazy bastard who scares people.

[anonymouslyyours]

Funnily enough I was scowling as I typed it and muttering angrily.

[fauxkaren]

Because if it were two women as the leads, the pilot would never have even been filmed and the project would have been axed at the script stage.

The only show with two female leads that is not specifically marketed to women that I can think of is Rizzoli and Isles. And that's not even on network TV. Women are constantly asked to relate to male characters and to imagine themselves in their place, but men aren't ever really asked to do the same with female characters.

I don't think any network would want to take a risk on a show marketed to general audiences that did not have at least one male lead.

[habilelapin]

So, the reason that should be expected for the rest of my life is...? The only way it changes is if someone changes it. Why not? If the first one fails, try again, and again, until it sticks.

[fauxkaren]

I'm just saying that it realistically would never be made. So for now, I'll take one of the Holmes/Watson team being a woman rather than none at all and hopefully in time as more and more women are cast as leads in roles that have been traditionally reserved for men, then we'll get to a point where a network will take a chance on two female leads.

[sarnath]

Late answer, but I've been reading this exchange, and I'm with you all the way. Only, a Holmes-like character who is female is neither an impossibility or something that hasn't been done yet; The Girl With the Dragon tattoo is exactly this. But only the Swedish version. The American adaptation actually did make her "softer" and "more brittle" in order to make her "more appealing as a female character".

In the first part (of the miniseries) and the first book, she shares the main role with a male character, but she is the primary main character, there's never a question about that.

And these books (and miniseries) were the major phenomenon in Sweden for years. And no one talked about Mikael Blomkvist, it was all Lisbeth Salander!

And of course there are major cultural differences between Sweden and the USA (which may be ahy they weren't as big a hit in the US), but these books and Swedish miniseries are available in English, IIRC.

[(Anonymous)]

The character dynamics being the same means little when the majority of procedurals already use the Holmes and Watson character prototypes.

[(Anonymous)]

Er, no, it's jettisoning or twisting out of all recognition the "big ideas" (which are all about the characters) and tagging a label on it that it doesn't deserve.

False pretences, iow.

[wauwy]

You know you're fighting the good fight.