[ SECRET POST #2022 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2022 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 088 secrets from Secret Submission Post #289.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, because poor people aren't allowed to have hobbies or enjoy things.

[(Anonymous)]

...not if it involves piracy? I don't think that's unreasonable.

[(Anonymous)]

So... It's ok if the borrow a book from a friend instead of downloading a pdf?
And if they buy a second hand book instead of a new one they are also "stealing"?

Because either way the creators don't get any money...

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. It is unreasonable. And you know why? Because the prices are high. Because not everyone has the same chances as you (in the case you, or OP do) or other people may have. We talk about piracy being unreasonable again when money is not restricted to such a small group of people, and the prices are not so unfair.

[(Anonymous)]

ummmm if it involves doing something illegal or immoral, I mean, it's still POSSIBLE to do it but that doesn't mean it's right.

I can't afford all the movies I want to buy but that doesn't mean it's okay for me to download those illegally either.

[(Anonymous)]

And if you cannot afford textbooks and such, then you can always go sweep the streets least you do something illegal. Leave education to the wealthy, why don't you.

Although it's funny how people always go on about downloading entertainment and cannot think of anything else that can be obtained thanks to pirates, God bless them. I wish I had your problems, guys. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Yup, because being poor does not excuse you from moral bankruptcy. (And no, I don't count doing immoral things in the name of survival being morally bankrupt.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, actually. The idea that you have some inherent right to a non-necessary luxury you can't afford is why morons on the other end like Ayn Rand have followers.

[(Anonymous)]

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[(Anonymous)]

You don't have the money for a book, why should you have it?

You are entitled to jack and shit, and I hope your hosting site is next on the chopping block.

[(Anonymous)]

No, the fundamental attribution error and itty-bitty monkeyspheres are why morons like Ayn Rand have followers.

[(Anonymous)]

art is not a luxury. it is a necessity. if more people could see this, humanity might actually progress.

[(Anonymous)]

There are libraries and other places to get free art.
Piracy is definitely not the same thing.

[inkdust]

Pretty much. -_-

[(Anonymous)]

poor bb, how dare people look down on piracy?

[(Anonymous)]

That whole "poor people aren't allowed to have hobbies or enjoy things" is a bunch of BS. That vast majority of people who use that line are middle class people who have the money but want to spend it elsewhere.

If you are dirt poor and have nothing to your name. How are you listening to the mp3s you've downloaded? You would be too poor for a mp3 player. How are you able to get online to watch a downloaded movie? You would be too poor for a computer and a good connection. And most libraries have an hour long limit for each user. So, you are not watching The Avengers in the middle of the public library.

Even if you are not spending money on movies and comics, themselves, it still costs money to get them for free. (Ironic? Yes.) How actually poor are you if you can still maintain this hobby?

[world_eater]

Eh, you know you don't magically turn middle class when you have a computer and an internet connection?

[(Anonymous)]

No.

Stop it before you hurt yourself.

[(Anonymous)]

This is the most tired, ridiculous argument I have ever heard.

Internet connections are cheap these days. There is free-floating wireless everywhere. Poor people have computers. Do you know why poor people have computers? Because there are programs to get them computers. There are people who became dirt-poor after having purchased these things. They are gifts given to children of poor families by relatives and churches to help them in school and to get a job. Just because someone has a computer, or an ipod, or a cell phone, does not mean that they are not dirt poor.

Just because someone has a luxury item that maybe they scrimped and saved for so their child could entertain themselves on their $20 dollar a month internet connection does not mean they have other money to spend on other things.

It's idiotic, uninformed opinions like yours that hurts the lower classes and lays on the expectations that they must not really have it as bad as they claim because oh look, they have a smart phone! Never mind that it's a beaten-up, refurbished, no data plan phone that can only take incoming calls THEY MUST BE MAKING IT UP, THEY HAVE MONEY SOMEWHERE.

[otakugal15]

How about.....I bought a laptop from the left overs from a scholaship before I graduated? A scholarship I got through making a high enough score on the ACT to even be ABLE to get into college in the first place? And now I'm dirt poor cause I have no job experience (i took school too seriously, all to end up with a degree i fucking hate. sigh) and having to rely on my boyfriend (which rankles me like crazy. love the boy, but damn do i hate feeling useless) for internet? Thus why I have a computer and an internet connection to be ABLE to listen to music and download manga/movies/songs/tv shows/books?

Or, I could go to the LIBRARY to get some of that?

OR, I have FRIENDS who have that stuff and I can watch downloaded and/or bought content with them?

(OH NOES. THEY'RE/I'M STEALING!!! CAUSE THEY'RE SHARING SOMETHING WITH ME. AND I DIDN'T BUY IT!!111!!one *headdeask*)

Just cause we're dirt poor doesn't mean we can't find ways around that for fandom and entertainment. B/

[(Anonymous)]

Oh stfu. I don't consider myself poor now (even though I'm living in a tiny apartment on minimum wage, but hey it's MUCH better than when I was living in a shelter), but back when I was? You don't mysteriously lose everything you owned before you lost your money.

I had a laptop and an iPod that I carried around with me in my backpack along with two changes of clothes and a couple bottles of water that I would re-fill whenever I came across a public water fountain. While I slept in the shelter the staff there was nice enough to allow me to recharge my laptop there, and I could recharge my iPod off of my laptop at the same time.

And did you know how easy it is to pick up wifi when you're wandering around town? There are some Starbucks whose wifi signals are strong enough to pick up from a park bench that's far enough away that you don't have staff shooing you away for loitering.

And the thing is? Now that I'm living in an apartment paycheck to paycheck, I DO pay for the luxuries that I can afford. I just have to prioritize that after my gas, electric, water, food and rent. But I no longer read scanlations, and if I want a game I'll wait until I can pay for it. Because now I CAN pay for it.

[darkmanifest]

You do know high-tech wireless phones and plans are super cheap in most of the world these days, right? Some people can get them before they can even get indoor plumbing. I just paid sixty bucks for a no-contract phone with free internet via a particular browser. If I invested in a used laptop for two hundred bucks, I could camp out in the library all day on free WiFi, watching The Avengers between job applications. People can be homeless with quality electronics (since you can charge your phone or computer at any number of public places). So yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

Middle class in your country =/= middle class in other countries. Just saying, though I highly doubt you care. And yes, everyone who doesn't have the spare money to spend it on a shitty expensive hobby must be so poor that they dig their breakfast out of trash bins. Do you use banknotes to wipe your ass, because otherwise I cannot image how can you be that ignorant.

[(Anonymous)]

That argument actually does work in some cases, but not ones that say poor people should be allowed to pirate shit just because they're broke. Because that's, you know, illegal.

Now, it does work when someone is like "How can you spend money on those movie tickets/a restaurant/a day at Six Flags/things that are in general not necessities when you're so poor? You should save that money for groceries and bills and never ever have fun because you're so goddamn poor". See, that's bullshit. Side eyeing someone for pirating shit is not the same thing at all.