[ SECRET POST #2026 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2026 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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03.
[Breaking Bad]


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04.
[Victorious]


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05.
[The Road to El Dorado]


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06.
[NU'EST / Minhyun - EXO-K / Kai - B1A4 / CNU]


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07.
[Criminal Minds]


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08.
[Legend of Korra]


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09. http://i.imgur.com/r96OK.png
[linked for porny, illustrated, Joker/Oracle]


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13. [SPOILER WARNING for Pokemon Special/Adventures Ruby/Sapphire arc]



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14. [SPOILER WARNING for Iron Man 3]



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15. [SPOILER WARNING for NCIS]



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16. [TRIGGER WARNING for non-con]

[Power Rangers Dino Thunder]


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17. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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18. [TRIGGER WARNING for suicide]

[touhou project]


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19. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

[Tomb Raider]


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20. [TRIGGER WARNING for image is of Katie Holmes getting ?? violently choked maybe]
http://i.imgur.com/ZZ3AQ.png


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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 (trigger warning for abuse) 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[ariakas]

I remember bringing up F.E.A.R. 2 in the original shitstorm about this on Kotaku, and a number of people have seized on it since to make the point that "see?! you wouldn't make such a fuss if it were a man!:, and I'm kind of tired of it. The rape scene in F.E.A.R. 2 wasn't anything like this one. To summarize:

-It wasn't portrayed as "character-building". Becket did not need to be raped to toughen up, or turn him into a badass. He was already a badass SFOD-D operator.

-It wasn't portrayed as titillating. It was horrifying, disgusting, and awful. There's a reason it's up as the number one video game example of averting the female/male rape is hot trope. Alma's appearance is emaciated and revolting - it was clearly not pandering to the male gaze.

-RE: the first point about it not being character-building, it was, conversely, portrayed as destructive. We see Becket in F.E.A.R. 3 emotionally devastated by what happened. Paxton points out that Becket wants to die. He doesn't RANK UP and become an AWESOME ADVENTURER (because normal dudes are delicate and can't be adventurers) through the powers of rape.

So, yeah, could people please stop mentioning Project Origin in the same breath as the Tomb Raider bullshit, because all it proves is the point of the person making the "this is bullshit" argument. Tomb Raider: panders to the male gaze, necessary for her to become tough, character building exercise. F.E.A.R. 2: visually revolting, not necessary for him to become tough, hurts and damages him emotionally.

Now that we've covered how rape was portrayed in F.E.A.R. 2 was absolutely nothing at all like the new TR project, to the point of comparing apples to handgrenades, I'd also like to address your "they just keeping it real" point.

See, yes, rape happens. It's an adult game rated M. But - as every MRA in the universe will be quick to point out - rape also happens to men. It's less common, but given the sausage festival that is the universe of most video games, you'd think it would crop up more, if they were in fact just "keeping it real" with Tomb Raider. If the industry had any interest in "keeping it real" at all.

Sure, there's F.E.A.R. 2, but as mentioned, that's female/male. The vast majority of men who sexually assaulted are assaulted by other men. Where is that, in the industry? Can you think of any examples? I sure can't.

This is particularly striking because the places were grown men are mostly likely to be victims of sexual assault crop up so very often in video games. In prison. Under torture. In the military.

How many military shooters do we have where there isn't so much as a whisper, an allusion, of this going on? All of them, so far. So much for "keeping it real". Why? Because that's not part of the fantasy. It's very real, but it would shatter the illusion of empowerment these fantasies provide, and for a lot of men, it would not be fun to play. It would genuinely frightening. Because it is real.

So, why is a woman being raped, or threatened by rape, a part of our fantasy? Why is it supposed to be empowering? Why is it supposed to be entertaining?

Because if the gaming industry didn't assiduously avoid the notion men being raped by other men in circumstances where it would indeed be very realistic, but toss it in the moment they have a female protagonist under the pretense of realism, I would be much more likely to believe them.

[(Anonymous)]

Ok first of all I wasn't mentioning that rape to invoke these comparisons. It's literally the only other mainstream game I could think of where rape happens.

There's also more f/m sexual abuse than reported. In part because it's not taken seriously when it is dealt with. That shouldn't diminish the importance of it at all! I'm a male who was abused by two babysitters, one male and one female. It's ridiculous to think it doesn't happen, whether or not men are more often perpetrators.

I also think there should be more sexual assault shown in games in keeping with the gritty nature and other violence that goes on. However, people have a problem with the 'sexual' nature of rape, as opposed to the nonsexual nature of ripping someone's head off. That's why it isn't considered.

[ariakas]

See, I mentioned it at first just because it was literally the only game I could think of where rape happens, but it has since been co-opted to make the point that this is all some misandrist hypocrisy, that people don't make such a stink about men getting raped - but really, it's because the two instances aren't comparable at all.

I never said f/m sexual abuse "doesn't happen", I said m/m is more common. Which, according to the data we have available, it is. And yet, we do have an example of f/m assault - F.E.A.R. 2. And not corresponding m/m example. Why is that?

I'd be more likely to believe that it has to do with the "sexual nature of rape" being less acceptable than the non-sexual nature of violence if they didn't feel just fine about tacking on sexual assault the moment a female protagonist walked through the door. Suddenly! Not so taboo!

Ngl, shooters, particular military shooters, are the games I play most often, and how many times has my character been bound and tortured, without even the slightest hint of sexual threat? Violence, ok, sex, not. Yet I'm supposed to believe that it's fine for Lara because that's just "realism"?

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw.

[(Anonymous)]

You want rape in a game? How about torture? Both of those are acts that victimize a person in the most disgusting way imaginable. I can't see myself being entertained by a game that actively features them.

It's entirely different from, say, killing a person, because when you kill a person in a game, they usually have a chance to fight back and try to kill you as well. It's fair in a sense, whereas rape or torture is never ever fair.

[thene]

'want' is a strange word when we talk about works of fiction. We often want conflict and discomfort and emotional damage in our stories, yes. We want a feeling of threat and a sense that no imaginary holds will be barred. How is this news to you?

It's entirely different from, say, killing a person, because when you kill a person in a game, they usually have a chance to fight back and try to kill you as well. It's fair in a sense, whereas rape or torture is never ever fair. ...What? Of course it's not 'fair'. They're pixel people coded in there specifically so that you can gun them down, what's fair about that?

Your logic, it makes no sense.

[(Anonymous)]

DA
>They're pixel people coded in there specifically so that you can gun them down
They're also coded in there to attack you so you have a reason to defend yourself, thus providing the arguably exciting survival/competition aspect of most games. It's harmless to trivialize death in a game because no player will EVER question the fact that murder is both wrong and a crime.

Trivializing rape or torture in any context, however? Infinitely more damaging.

[thene]

Lolwat, because low-level grunts are challenging defenders. Are you seriously saying that defence is what makes combat in videogames exciting?

You seem to be assuming that fictionalising something is inherently the same as trivialising it, unless we're talking about killing other human beings, in which case it's all okay with you. Uh, no. Rape, torture and killing can all be handled either well or badly, either realistically or tropily. They aren't inherently different. (Hey, do murder mysteries trivialise murder? The victims rarely fight back, after all.)

[(Anonymous)]

ilu <3

This is everything I've wanted to say about this, but couldn't think of the words.

[thene]

Wow. I think I'm going to put this comment in my next link roundup. *applause*

[khronos_keeper]

>How many military shooters do we have where there isn't so much as a whisper, an allusion, of this going on?

I don't have much intelligent to add, except to offer an example.

Metal Gear Solid 3, the protagonist Naked Snake is captured by the enemy dude Volgin, and tortured. During this torture, it's implied that Volgin's getting off on it. But yeah, still no rape. But there is some gratuitous male-on-male crotch-grabbing too. Also like to add that same dude Volgin tortures and rapes Eva/Tatyana, and it's treated as less of a big deal than the scene with Naked Snake. Sort of like, "oh there's explanation stuff going on here."

Okay back to my lane.

[(Anonymous)]

And then there's Metal Gear Solid 4, which has LOADS of male rape symbolism, from the main character being damaged when psychotic women feel him up, to a male villain grappling him from behind and kissing at his ears. It's done in order to show that the main character is being violated by the horrific war situations he's had to go through, and perhaps a little bit of titillation. Still no actual rape, though.