[ SECRET POST #2030 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #2030 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Nana to Kaoru, Oyasumi Punpun, Onani Master Kurosawa]


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03.
[Terry Pratchett]


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04.
[The Hollow Crown: Henry IV]


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05.
[Tori Amos]


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06.
[Dragon Age: Origins]


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07.
[Rihanna, S&M]


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08.
[LotR RPF]


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09.
[On the Road]


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10.
[SM Entertainment - Super Junior, SHINee and EXO]


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11.
[Sherlock]


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12.
[Planescape Torment]


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13.
[The Devil in the White City]


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14.
[CATverse]


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15.
[Fate/stay night]


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16.
[Rammstein]


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17.
[Mass Effect]


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18.
[Metalocalypse]


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19.
[Arashi, V6]


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20.
[Legend of Korra]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 063 secrets from Secret Submission Post #290.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ], [ 1 - personal attack ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[velvet_mace]

1) The BNFs don't have to read any fic they don't want to. They are just fans, like you, and they read fic for enjoyment, just like you. You don't have to take it personally if they aren't reading your fic. There is no point in being resentful, or for trying to to please them specifically.

2) Just because they aren't reading your fic, doesn't mean other people who enjoy your pairing wouldn't and might enjoy your take on it better than the BNFs.

3) Don't make your fandom enjoyment contingent on other specific people. Write what you enjoy, read what you like, and stop making other people responsible for your self-esteem.

[(Anonymous)]

1) Wow, way to defend people who often are absolute assholes. I've been in numerous fandoms where the BNFs really did refuse to read anything outside their friends' and pets' works. In small fandoms, this is especially obvious as a small handful of authors magically never get recced, included in fandom newsletters, or mentioned as part of fandom to newcomers, sometimes for no obvious reason (such as purple prose or illiterate grammar).

2) BNFs can make and break authors' readership and comments, so being snubbed (and the OP did not say THEY were being snubbed specifically but ALL non-BNFs were being snubbed) can be very, very hard to deal with as you feel that no one cares about your writing.

3) This last sentiment is the only thing I agree with.

[(Anonymous)]

You are hereby the hero to all non-BNFs.

[velvet_mace]

1) If the BNF's are anti-reccing the writer, that'd be one thing, but the OP didn't say that. They just aren't reading the writers fics. Assuming that everyone other than OP who writes and reads that pairing isn't a BNF, there should be plenty of non-BNFS around to read the OP's fic. Most OTPers will read every half-way decent fic they can find that includes their OTP whether it was written by a BNF or not. Especially a pretty rare pairing.

2) If the BNFs are snubbing everyones fics but their own -- who cares. THEY AREN'T THE ONLY READERS. It's only very hard to deal with if you elevate the BNFs to such a point that only their opinion of your work matters. And just as toadying up to a BNF won't make you popular, being snubbed by one won't turn you into a leper.

[(Anonymous)]

cue pointless 'just blah blah blah' advice.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

Going by my own experience, there aren't many other places that hold fast to exclusivity than nearly every aspect/pairing in the LOTR universe. They STILL do it, whether in Sean/Elijah or other OTPs. It was one of the reasons I bailed on LOTR, when I'd been an active participant for almost four years.

What really got my teeth grinding was the selfish nature, as well. It's not just a BNF-gripe, it's the idea that there was (and really, is) a lot of shameless fic-begging, feedback-whoring and other nonsense. If you're not writing fifty different fics of the OTP Of the Week then you're not doing enough, you're a bad fan. I'd written many, many, MANY fics for people, a lot of which weren't my pairing at all, and I'd always be told, "This is so great! I'm going to write one in your pairing now!" and... no dice. After I went through a Christ-ton of hassle in posting a story for a community challenge for a pairing I'd started to hate but wanted to "contribute" for my friends' sakes, I asked myself, "What ARE yo doing this for, anyway? It's not like they care." That was the end of that.

The fandom I'm in now? Couldn't ask for better. No drama, no hassle and no BNF antics running amok. It's funny, that: the bigger the fandom, the bigger the greedy assholes involved. Here's my own confession:

Sometimes I wear an evil smirk in knowing that the LOTR fandom's petering out. After all of the shenanigans, the greed and bloated egos, it's a bit satisfying. If that makes me a jackass, then a jackass I am.

[velvet_mace]

Christ, that sucks. Lotta reader entitlement there.

I didn't get into the LOTR fandom because no one wrote what I wanted to read. There just wasn't very much fic that wasn't very samey (and elf-ridden, elves are boring). An independent writer like the OP (though not that pairing, I don't do RPF) would have been a welcome breath of fresh air. I guess if there was this attitude that everyone has to write the same things, that will stifle creativity.

But seriously, fuck the BNFs. They can write what they like and read what they like, but they don't get to dictate what other people write and read. I really wish people wouldn't give them that power.

[(Anonymous)]

Nod, nod, nod. I don't think the greedies in LOTR fully understand the role they played in the fandom's dying out. There is such a thing as someone being too whiny, or someone in desperate need of a beta trying to claim "It's so exclusive, no one is reading my fic!" but in the end, it came down to who you know rather than how talented you were. Looking back to when I first started writing LOTR, I know a lot of my stories had a newbish, sophomoric and inexperienced quality. They weren't crap, but nothing you'd die to publish. The other problem I had was that I was into the hobbit-angle, and I liked making less-serious, crackish stories. So it didn't matter if the writing had been impeccable, as the fandom was very picky and unappreciative of any story that didn't follow whatever unspoken guidelines there were.

We all play a part in the end. The important thing to do is find your niche, and I have, so.... yep! :-D